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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Just to double check, about {da} and quantifiers
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On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> =A0Except that you have to specify (or know by some external means)
> that there are no true values of da that are broda =A0in order to make
> "ro da poi broda" =3D "no da poi broda".

Who said anything about making "ro da poi broda" =3D "no da poi broda"?

What I said was that "ro da poi broda cu brode" can be expanded to "ro
da zo'u ganai da broda gi da brode".

Similarly "su'o da poi broda cu brode" can be expanded to "su'o da
zo'u ge da broda gi da brode".

And the negations of those two:

me'i da poi broda cu brode =3D me'i da zo'u ganai da broda gi da brode

no da poi broda cu brode =3D no da zo'u ge da broda gi da brode

In fact all four are basically the the same expansion simply by taking
su'o da =3D naku no da =3D me'i da naku =3D naku ro da naku

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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