Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QRX0N-00036G-PN; Tue, 31 May 2011 15:02:21 -0700 Received: by vxk20 with SMTP id 20sf2967694vxk.16 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 15:01:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mJkEqxn2MYcTFhiSYGMUc/NiHyfscaG8D24gGB9282A=; b=dhRe3oBQ2oivLP5sEQuFIGULEpXqrhg+0VEw4IWDs4na4DCaReNI6qZOERke51shxj r0tN7EyNCgoGqI2pTmVIbNMrrd2ranFwtw4yv6xx+K6hccXycjRhLLcRzv35woGDySIt jMVBnFRBVK9zudFB0MTPMNr2fB8H/5MvJmVLc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=bqHfhE0CQbbnQ6iHAJH+mYa2rkqzXUW+a3mOG9xHNVnsNhAGA2EnM8vYHtZBExRNmA YMFk0Tmxl7jCDAavEVBf2jTI5+Pq4s8c22FSK64FfUdCScN/m092wB4ex4usgGzWwHuZ AgzR7TNJpyjT6J+jjGsIyxSugR9SsUTC0pZrA= Received: by 10.220.189.193 with SMTP id df1mr853844vcb.7.1306879290467; Tue, 31 May 2011 15:01:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.76.10 with SMTP id g10ls2548927vdw.3.gmail; Tue, 31 May 2011 15:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.181.197 with SMTP id dy5mr2122548vdc.15.1306879289917; Tue, 31 May 2011 15:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.181.197 with SMTP id dy5mr2122547vdc.15.1306879289907; Tue, 31 May 2011 15:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f178.google.com ([209.85.220.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ch6si241923vdb.2.2011.05.31.15.01.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 May 2011 15:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.178; Received: by vxc11 with SMTP id 11so3841084vxc.9 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 15:01:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.176.3 with SMTP id ce3mr1157630vdc.313.1306879289562; Tue, 31 May 2011 15:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.183.129 with HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2011 15:01:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:01:29 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Just to double check, about {da} and quantifiers From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1193 2011/5/31 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis : > 2011/5/30 Jorge Llamb=EDas : >> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 7:48 PM, .arpis. w= rote: >>> >>> Specifically, in the restricted case, >>> (assuming there are no cat-dogs in the universe) what does {ro da poi k= e'a >>> gerku je mlatu cu broda} mean? >> >> It means: >> >> =A0 ro da zo'u ganai da gerku je mlatu gi da broda >> >> it means that whether there are cat-dogs or not. >> > > But this contradicts the Book! The opposite is very clearly stated in > Chapter 16, Section 8. The Book says some strange things when it comes to logic. > I also think that this problem of reference is precisely the same of > {lo no}, isn't it? No reference is involved here, it's pure quantification. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.