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{nu} isn't what you want here.

I'd have gone with {lo sevzi sanji senva cu melbi}; it has a nice ring.

What you wrote would translate something like "Beautiful is the event of a
dream being aware of the self"
Your precise statement is translated as {melbi fa lo senva poi sanji lo
sevzi}

In response to your questions:

1. It's correct, but it may not be what you mean. Before you can turn a
bridi into a sumti, you have to figure out more specifically what you mean
(and first turn it into a selbri).

2. I think your use of two {cu}s is correct, but I tend to avoid {cu} and
stick with terminators like {ku} and {kei}; I'm pretty certain that {lonu lo
senva cu sanji le sevzi kei ku melbi} means what you want and allows you to
avoid {fa}.

3. I'm still working on understanding {le}, but from what I've gathered, you
should use {lo} almost all the time. I expect there will be people who can
give you (and me) a better understanding of {lo} vs {le} here soon.

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Ben Foppa <eatingstaples@gmail.com> wrote:

> What exactly are the rules of "nu"? I'm (with my beginner Lojban
> knowledge) trying to translate "Lucid dreams are beautiful" into
> Lojban for a forum signature, and this is what I came up with:
>
> melbi fa lonu lo senva cu sanji le sevzi
>
> Aiming for "Self-aware dreams are beautiful", or, more precisely:
> "beautiful are dreams which are aware of the self".
>
> Thus, my questions are:
>
> 1. Is this correct? I'm a little confused as to how to turn "lo senva
> cu sanji le sevzi" into a sumti.
>
> 2. I'm thinking that not using "fa" (i.e. "lonu lo senva cu sanji le
> sevzi cu melbi") wouldn't work, because it's sort of vague as to what
> the "nu" encompasses. Is this correct?
>
> 3. Is my use of "lo" twice correct? How would meanings change if I
> used:
>    -"le" and then "lo" (would it imply that we're talking about
> specific instances when any lucid dreams occurred?)
>    -"lo" and then "le" (would it imply that we're talking about any
> instances when specific lucid dreams occurred?)
>    -"le" twice (would it imply that we're talking about specific
> instances where specific lucid dreams occurred?)
>
> I realize that's quite a few questions, and I appreciate any partial
> feedback or responses, as well as answers to all of them.
>
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{nu} isn&#39;t what you want here.<br><br>I&#39;d have gone with {lo sevzi =
sanji senva cu melbi}; it has a nice ring.<br><br>What you wrote would tran=
slate something like &quot;Beautiful is the event of a dream being aware of=
 the self&quot;<br>
Your precise statement is translated as {melbi fa lo senva poi sanji lo sev=
zi}<br><br>In response to your questions:<br><br>1. It&#39;s correct, but i=
t may not be what you mean. Before you can turn a bridi into a sumti, you h=
ave to figure out more specifically what you mean (and first turn it into a=
 selbri).<br>
<br>2. I think your use of two {cu}s is correct, but I tend to avoid {cu} a=
nd stick with terminators like {ku} and {kei}; I&#39;m pretty certain that =
{lonu lo senva cu sanji le sevzi kei ku melbi} means what you want and allo=
ws you to avoid {fa}.<br>
<br>3. I&#39;m still working on understanding {le}, but from what I&#39;ve =
gathered, you should use {lo} almost all the time. I expect there will be p=
eople who can give you (and me) a better understanding of {lo} vs {le} here=
 soon.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Ben Foppa <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eatingstaples@gmail.com">eatingstapl=
es@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
What exactly are the rules of &quot;nu&quot;? I&#39;m (with my beginner Loj=
ban<br>
knowledge) trying to translate &quot;Lucid dreams are beautiful&quot; into<=
br>
Lojban for a forum signature, and this is what I came up with:<br>
<br>
melbi fa lonu lo senva cu sanji le sevzi<br>
<br>
Aiming for &quot;Self-aware dreams are beautiful&quot;, or, more precisely:=
<br>
&quot;beautiful are dreams which are aware of the self&quot;.<br>
<br>
Thus, my questions are:<br>
<br>
1. Is this correct? I&#39;m a little confused as to how to turn &quot;lo se=
nva<br>
cu sanji le sevzi&quot; into a sumti.<br>
<br>
2. I&#39;m thinking that not using &quot;fa&quot; (i.e. &quot;lonu lo senva=
 cu sanji le<br>
sevzi cu melbi&quot;) wouldn&#39;t work, because it&#39;s sort of vague as =
to what<br>
the &quot;nu&quot; encompasses. Is this correct?<br>
<br>
3. Is my use of &quot;lo&quot; twice correct? How would meanings change if =
I<br>
used:<br>
 =A0 =A0-&quot;le&quot; and then &quot;lo&quot; (would it imply that we&#39=
;re talking about<br>
specific instances when any lucid dreams occurred?)<br>
 =A0 =A0-&quot;lo&quot; and then &quot;le&quot; (would it imply that we&#39=
;re talking about any<br>
instances when specific lucid dreams occurred?)<br>
 =A0 =A0-&quot;le&quot; twice (would it imply that we&#39;re talking about =
specific<br>
instances where specific lucid dreams occurred?)<br>
<br>
I realize that&#39;s quite a few questions, and I appreciate any partial<br=
>
feedback or responses, as well as answers to all of them.<br>
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