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On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Ben Foppa <eatingstaples@gmail.com> wrote:
> What exactly are the rules of "nu"? I'm (with my beginner Lojban
> knowledge) trying to translate "Lucid dreams are beautiful" into
> Lojban for a forum signature, and this is what I came up with:
>
> melbi fa lonu lo senva cu sanji le sevzi
>
> Aiming for "Self-aware dreams are beautiful", or, more precisely:
> "beautiful are dreams which are aware of the self".

What you've written is: "It is beautiful when a dreamer is aware of the self."

> Thus, my questions are:
>
> 1. Is this correct? I'm a little confused as to how to turn "lo senva
> cu sanji le sevzi" into a sumti.

You did indeed turn that into a sumti!  A sumti from a bridi, isn't it
magical?  You can put them inside of each other forever.

> 2. I'm thinking that not using "fa" (i.e. "lonu lo senva cu sanji le
> sevzi cu melbi") wouldn't work, because it's sort of vague as to what
> the "nu" encompasses. Is this correct?

No you are wrong.  It is never the slightest bit vague what the {nu}
encompasses.  That is precisely what we pride ourselves upon in this
village.  Your fa-less version means exactly the same as the
rearranged one.  When you encounter the second {cu}, the {nu} is
assumed to be done because a bridi cannot have two selbri.

mi'e la stela selckiku
mu'o

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