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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: {le} and {lo}
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>
> Thanks for the very lengthy response; it certainly clears things up
> (and then some). My confusion now is to when I'm creating ideas, like
> telling a story. In English, I'd say "A dog went to drink from its
> bowl. The dog was blue." It sounds like in Lojban, I would use {lo}
> instead of "A", and then {lo bi'u} to replace "the"?
>

{lo bi'u nai}. {lo bi'u gerku} would be (more or less) "another dog". But
that's not the trend; I'd say your sentence more like this: {lo gerku pu
klama pinxe fi lo ri kabri .i gy blanu}.

>
> Also, I'm a little confused as to your last bit about the banana - how
> would one distinguish between "I eat bananas" and "I just ate a
> banana"? Would "I just ate a banana" become "I eat bananas.. just
> now"?
>

One would distinguish using optional tenses. {mi citka lo badna} say that at
some point in time and space, for some duration, etc. there is a
relationship between me and some bananas in which I eat some of them.

{mi ca citka lo badna}
{mi ba'o citka lo badna}
{mi ca ba'o citka lo badna}
{mi ta'e citka lo badna}
{mi citka pa badna}
{mi citka so'i badna}

These are all things that {mi citka lo badna} could mean, according to
context. {za'a} In lojban you try to avoid unnecessary over-specification,
and try to make as general a statement as you can while getting your point
across.

-- 
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ery lengthy response; it certainly clears things up<br>
(and then some). My confusion now is to when I&#39;m creating ideas, like<b=
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telling a story. In English, I&#39;d say &quot;A dog went to drink from its=
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instead of &quot;A&quot;, and then {lo bi&#39;u} to replace &quot;the&quot;=
?<br></blockquote><div><br>{lo bi&#39;u nai}. {lo bi&#39;u gerku} would be =
(more or less) &quot;another dog&quot;. But that&#39;s not the trend; I&#39=
;d say your sentence more like this: {lo gerku pu klama pinxe fi lo ri kabr=
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banana&quot;? Would &quot;I just ate a banana&quot; become &quot;I eat bana=
nas.. just<br>
now&quot;?<br></blockquote><div><br>One would distinguish using optional te=
nses. {mi citka lo badna} say that at some point in time and space, for som=
e duration, etc. there is a relationship between me and some bananas in whi=
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r>{mi citka so&#39;i badna}<br><br>These are all things that {mi citka lo b=
adna} could mean, according to context. {za&#39;a} In lojban you try to avo=
id unnecessary over-specification, and try to make as general a statement a=
s you can while getting your point across.<br>
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