Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QcE5D-0005Qo-H8; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:02:56 -0700 Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31sf2341625qyk.16 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:02:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=YWr0m9/cYcXEYNerl2SQWEmE9o2B/7qpkcMGgxEjoto=; b=eOU4JreCMjS8agSyLi5u9BVI2vvnyHqncWDNc7QKto4bhD2ZGx27ICD7iW55IAIUTA nXWDCOdorGbmU66JvuXsmrdQ5dPm7krgZ4gqbOywt+fcC7fRTzLEGeOX4IQNuGfMaBgF ZCraZtTWXz4FZvsCqW0aYsxmFFngh2C2RCh8Y= Received: by 10.224.182.65 with SMTP id cb1mr184060qab.40.1309428161798; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:02:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.127.210 with SMTP id h18ls491692qas.0.gmail; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.208.202 with SMTP id gd10mr2030949qab.16.1309428160887; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.184.14 with SMTP id ci14msqab; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.100 with SMTP id df4mr732452vdc.20.1309418975499; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.100 with SMTP id df4mr732451vdc.20.1309418975489; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f46.google.com (mail-qw0-f46.google.com [209.85.216.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jq3si1638557vdb.3.2011.06.30.00.29.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.46; Received: by qwk3 with SMTP id 3so1300042qwk.5 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:29:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.8.138 with SMTP id h10mr1237914qch.105.1309418975192; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.228.70 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:29:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8ecaf8d7-810f-41e7-b4cc-9208b696f6ce@g16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com> References: <1665dd93-53b2-4442-8b6d-ab80aabdcbda@b21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> <9454fde3-7042-4c60-82d9-776f51b07b5c@t38g2000prj.googlegroups.com> <8ecaf8d7-810f-41e7-b4cc-9208b696f6ce@g16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 08:29:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: {le} and {lo} From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1173 On 29 June 2011 22:55, Ben Foppa wrote: > Actually, upon further consideration, would it be fair to say that > {le} references an object which had a unique identity before > construction of the sentence? For instance, if I say "So yesterday, > this dog walked in front of a car", I would use {lo}, but if I said > "So yesterday, this one dog I know walked in front of a car", would I > use {le}, since I'm referencing a dog which has an identity separate > from other dogs inside my mind? Both {lo gerku} and {le gerku} would make sense in that case. However, if you wanted to convey the sense not only that the dog is a particular instance in your mind but also that you are *familiar* with the dog, you would need more than {le} e.g. modifying it with {.i'u}. mu'o mi'e tijlan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.