Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QcE5D-0005Qt-LV; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:02:56 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf2354874qwh.16 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:02:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=hS77peeoy0KTEq/2auF3wdsyuPqNG6H1xgNqi3pgvXY=; b=LgNx4XA5JzcWt6cHb9F8t4nBS7ksrqUxm6D9hb68OMiXw2Kah27LMaGzOKnfjqXFri ARv1bJacXHtE0tipl3b88/gluT7A8MeWDfa7zRFedR9bhjNdK0OZxMHMOQjXKsvrNW0B TBl+i0OqP1irwbWWMhJq26T3GjIdOwJzGsyTU= Received: by 10.229.32.17 with SMTP id a17mr162645qcd.42.1309428161871; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:02:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.181.131 with SMTP id by3ls500994qab.3.gmail; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.195.130 with SMTP id ec2mr2025236qab.29.1309428161408; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.184.14 with SMTP id ci14msqab; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.73.68 with SMTP id j4mr741363vdv.17.1309419307103; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.73.68 with SMTP id j4mr741362vdv.17.1309419307095; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f178.google.com (mail-qy0-f178.google.com [209.85.216.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ch6si1643666vdb.2.2011.06.30.00.35.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.178; Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27so1147709qyk.9 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:35:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.44.198 with SMTP id b6mr1261879qcf.67.1309419306762; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.228.70 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:35:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1665dd93-53b2-4442-8b6d-ab80aabdcbda@b21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> <9454fde3-7042-4c60-82d9-776f51b07b5c@t38g2000prj.googlegroups.com> <8ecaf8d7-810f-41e7-b4cc-9208b696f6ce@g16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 08:35:06 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: {le} and {lo} From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1195 As Pierre and selckiku pointed out, {le} seems most meaningful when used to particularize a member of a category against other members of the same category. For this aspect, {le} may be expanded like so: le gerku = zo'e su'anai noi gerku ( particular DOG ) ({su'anai} is to modify {zo'e} rather than {noi} or {gerku}, because what's particular isn't the fact that the referent is a DOG but the existence of the referent itself out of other members of DOG.) As opposed to: lo gerku = zo'e noi gerku ( general / particular / ... DOG ) lo'e gerku = zo'e su'a noi gerku ( general DOG ) {le fraso} is a su'anai FRENCH-LANGUAGE (likely a dialect), which is still a FRENCH-LANGUAGE. If you ate {le badna}, you would have eaten {lo badna} of the same instance, because a particular BANANA is still a BANANA. mu'o mi'e tijlan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.