Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QcKsy-0003y6-3A; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:18:41 -0700 Received: by ywt32 with SMTP id 32sf2510524ywt.16 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:18:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aAzt5zUDZmA1HrVYoOwjlpeyIlVx3mPj9mde1LMkHvY=; b=Q5jW9OrTXHP+J6YGefCTf6lHTteljA1Qr6kR32PQfxZ+BWLV4SBOeXAwte0SDAG+Hp 97PPxeqF0rq9Cs8REMMBRZxwXk2JH7XPaLc7T90NTWjTbV7FKvXSX+cDhmLcS/ez2SZH WlmyGxClD7xqVuJDUjlJ+WXniaILXwV7l7DLE= Received: by 10.101.213.35 with SMTP id p35mr284122anq.38.1309454310336; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:18:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.205.15 with SMTP id h15ls4203anq.6.gmail; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.139.130 with SMTP id c2mr1040299yhj.99.1309454308649; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.135.8 with SMTP id m8msybn; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 06:32:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.66.3 with SMTP id t3mr236108agk.44.1309440759621; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 06:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 16g2000yqy.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 06:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 06:32:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1665dd93-53b2-4442-8b6d-ab80aabdcbda@b21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> <9454fde3-7042-4c60-82d9-776f51b07b5c@t38g2000prj.googlegroups.com> <8ecaf8d7-810f-41e7-b4cc-9208b696f6ce@g16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/5.0,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <10004ed4-220c-4c41-8fb9-57de30a45bb3@16g2000yqy.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: {le} and {lo} From: Ben Foppa To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: eatingstaples@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1454 Would I then be correct in saying that {le} implies that, in my mind, the dog I'm referencing has a separate identity than the "standard" dog? On Jun 30, 3:35=A0am, tijlan wrote: > As Pierre and selckiku pointed out, {le} seems most meaningful when > used to particularize a member of a category against other members of > the same category. For this aspect, {le} may be expanded like so: > > =A0 le gerku =3D zo'e su'anai noi gerku ( particular DOG ) > > ({su'anai} is to modify {zo'e} rather than {noi} or {gerku}, because > what's particular isn't the fact that the referent is a DOG but the > existence of the referent itself out of other members of DOG.) > > As opposed to: > > =A0 lo gerku =3D zo'e noi gerku ( general / particular / ... DOG ) > =A0 lo'e gerku =3D zo'e su'a noi gerku ( general DOG ) > > {le fraso} is a su'anai FRENCH-LANGUAGE (likely a dialect), which is > still a FRENCH-LANGUAGE. If you ate {le badna}, you would have eaten > {lo badna} of the same instance, because a particular BANANA is still > a BANANA. > > mu'o mi'e tijlan --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.