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From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd25b72d2827804a4d50592 Content-Length: 4988 --000e0cd25b72d2827804a4d50592 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You may find this thread to be of interest: http://www.lojban.org/eo/lists/lojban-beginners/msg08889.html On Jun 3, 2011 4:31 PM, "ianek" wrote: > When I was learning from LFB (over a year ago), I stumbled upon a note > in http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less10connect.html > (near the bottom of the page): >> The very astute reader will have noted that 'afterwards' should have been .i pu bo; the analogy with ba ku won out, though. (See The Complete Lojban Language, Chapter 10.12.) The rest of you may ponder what on Earth I'm talking about, but need not lose sleep over it. > > Of coure I had noticed the inconsistency and the explanation hadn't > satisfied me. I didn't check the referenced chapter 10.12 (was I > afraid of CLL? I dunno). Now I've looked there and found nothing on > the subject. The relevant chapters are 9.7 and 10.16, but the > difference isn't explained there. So why the difference? > > {broda i MODAL bo brode}, as far as I understand, is translated > roughly to {broda MODAL lo su'u brode kei}, but > {broda i TENSE bo brode}, as stated in CLL 10.16, gets translated to > {broda i TENSE la'edi'u brode}, which is the opposite. > Why? > > mu'o mi'e ianek > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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You may find this thread to be of interest:=A0 http://www.lojban.org/eo/l= ists/lojban-beginners/msg08889.html

On Jun 3, 2011 4:31 PM, "ianek" <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
> When I was learning from LFB (over a year ago), I stu= mbled upon a note
> in http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons= /less10connect.html
> (near the bottom of the page):
>> = The very astute reader will have noted that 'afterwards' should hav= e been .i pu bo; the analogy with ba ku won out, though. (See The Complete = Lojban Language, Chapter 10.12.) The rest of you may ponder what on Earth I= 'm talking about, but need not lose sleep over it.
>
> Of coure I had noticed the inconsistency and the explanation = hadn't
> satisfied me. I didn't check the referenced chapter = 10.12 (was I
> afraid of CLL? I dunno). Now I've looked there and= found nothing on
> the subject. The relevant chapters are 9.7 and 10.16, but the
> = difference isn't explained there. So why the difference?
>
&g= t; {broda i MODAL bo brode}, as far as I understand, is translated
> = roughly to {broda MODAL lo su'u brode kei}, but
> {broda i TENSE bo brode}, as stated in CLL 10.16, gets translated to> {broda i TENSE la'edi'u brode}, which is the opposite.
&g= t; Why?
>
> mu'o mi'e ianek
>
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