Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QVA3r-00052M-UB; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:20:18 -0700 Received: by vxk20 with SMTP id 20sf1933906vxk.16 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:20:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yX6dk4smzFuNCSBLmH5jnQTDfnv9NRhXNBxNTSzxPNU=; b=L4mLQtEp3uEP5X+VdJMxazRVIXhczeL/msEUaZljExi201caY/i8HRy/q24IDdWq3d zr7tmGCkgEGf2bjQzKccFVD1r3UGRfCULzFBVBhFmx0msvHQNK7XUjAk2PXSzf1gt/2A IwqbkTiiSWHF1bodQO7FPLWVQTpJikhGXipHI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=t1aybut0HH95t5/NM/56/4uM18vaIOjK2CopJ+X+fNegXpxPyZeaYE11QpehVXPJW9 sEDFNWTSh01Y6qg9nkyxkjnEs0waOZdsXrwdnMetUG6OfXCB45cfW07UzIY92bC5QbRc ZKqSwKapsX1VVvz0Y2MoPvacJKYU6o+04/fWI= Received: by 10.220.183.196 with SMTP id ch4mr340152vcb.10.1307744407397; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:20:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.76.10 with SMTP id g10ls1020531vdw.3.gmail; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.73.68 with SMTP id j4mr936378vdv.17.1307744406660; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.73.68 with SMTP id j4mr936377vdv.17.1307744406652; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f52.google.com (mail-vw0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a10si2680404vdt.0.2011.06.10.15.20.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.52; Received: by mail-vw0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 16so4377075vws.39 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:20:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.108.194 with SMTP id hm2mr1564692vdb.233.1307744321003; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.183.129 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:18:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <86c95876-7288-4de3-bab5-461a0c550910@h7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:18:40 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Glass half full From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1264 On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:00 PM, tijlan wrote: > 2011/6/10 Jorge Llamb=EDas : >> >> I suggest: >> >> lo kabri poi klani li pi mu lo ka culno >> lo kabri poi klani li pi mu lo ka kunti > > Couldn't that mean a half of a collection of cups in a shelf or box? That would depend on the details of "lo ka culno": lo kabri poi klani li pi mu lo ka [ce'u] culno [lo vanju] "[A] glass which amounts to half in being full [of wine]" lo kabri poi klani li pi mu lo ka lo tanxe cu culno [ce'u] "Glass(es) which amount to half in filling a box." An omitted "ce'u" is normally understood to fill the first available slot. > Isn't the klani1 supposed to be the quantity of what's in the cup (lo > se kabri) rather than of the cup itself (lo kabri)? x1 of klani is whatever is being measured, just like for the specific measure words. mu'o miu'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.