Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QfG1i-0004iu-5s; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:43:49 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf2395160qwh.16 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:43:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ICSczqpcON71ZW5iULVZuKwxBJcN6YuCIDbLC641mlo=; b=NopmVmC4fa3ATeFOx0B+mWsnlULIzEUoZ+aD+N6ZVl3/tD4J250T95l8B/6C2B3hMe B4mhyIYd6J8UqG7t5dVbKEK6dgzgsjLOPp4JzxzWCt9FeORVc2MnluMEl18l4Nbn/ZxP 4uCsYYbu402w/TQIeIJlGEP0KUWX1bvemyg9Q= Received: by 10.229.101.18 with SMTP id a18mr325586qco.32.1310150617480; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:43:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.182.134 with SMTP id cc6ls2358358qab.4.gmail; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.215.9 with SMTP id hc9mr2665197qab.8.1310150616023; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.204.8 with SMTP id fk8msqab; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.217.200 with SMTP id hn8mr346120qab.0.1310149680226; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by a10g2000vbz.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/534.30 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/12.0.742.112 Safari/534.30,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <7d5c7218-47ad-476f-b292-e467e15b1e55@a10g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] coi From: "kail. kinzyl." To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: kinpopdj@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1655 coi do .i mi'e kail. So, I read (retention is another fact) through the Reference Grammar. I have to say that lojban sounds entirely interesting. I plan on learning as much as I can. I see personal potential in the language as a way of promoting expansion of thoughts and ideas. Of course I have many questions about the language, including some geeky, some conversational, but I will just start off with one for right now. la lerfu xy. I love the sound of the 'x', but I think I have been pronouncing it differently than what....'proper' lojban dictates. Looking at the pronunciation guide, I see that 'x' is listed as an unvoiced velar fricative. I, however, find myself using an unvoiced uvular fricative; the unvoiced velar fricative is near impossible for me to pronounce without uvular usage. Is this a big deal? I know I read somewhere that the sounds per lerfu were a 'set' of sounds (i.e. trilled 'r' vs. untrilled 'r'). Anyone else use the uvular fricative over the velar? Also, I understand how to use lo and le. :) From what I have been reading, it sounds like people are getting to caught up on English translations to determine lo/le usage: no bueno. To me, btw, 'lo cribe' is a perfect way to describe 'bear goo', although I hope never to have to say it. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.