Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QchY5-00087v-1u; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 10:30:41 -0700 Received: by wyh13 with SMTP id 13sf5731161wyh.16 for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 10:30:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=cRtq3AaiGpXTyAYgfijFi3AuarK720oZID2LE67E84Q=; b=hI/vnaeNcoP3c5Nf+67vKV9m+Z77sxXvXNqCZNtAlzbr026aj7yc076rh8nWI+Ql0O NUvzIegUDb20B+cAoAJSqY34/F836KVktXQ+YYLRMCM5soYbYBFyc+ngqQ8xXka7jDn0 0FJlH4fHP4QuG0NTy5zvH6AokCxDZmOHUAaN4= Received: by 10.216.26.134 with SMTP id c6mr1320003wea.3.1309541427975; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 10:30:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.106.37 with SMTP id v37ls1740707wbo.1.gmail; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 10:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.174.194 with SMTP id u2mr227988wbz.4.1309541426416; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 10:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.174.194 with SMTP id u2mr227987wbz.4.1309541426402; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 10:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e23si3598369wbp.2.2011.07.01.10.30.24; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 10:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=SOlsIBN44tkg4MqIq+y2aLZdhoA3kHpmiRsLue6rfnM= c=1 sm=0 a=PDr2UJhlADUA:10 a=Zg5y71eQBRMA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=71LrFUmjOgA5zkXWewcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:34136] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 05/D8-15242-F240E0E4; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 17:30:24 +0000 Received: from dell-inspiron-1000.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A042E17C0F for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 13:30:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: {le} and {lo} Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 13:26:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.35-23-generic; KDE/4.5.5; i686; ; ) References: <1665dd93-53b2-4442-8b6d-ab80aabdcbda@b21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201107011326.59112.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 967 On Thursday, June 30, 2011 08:04:24 am Ian Johnson wrote: > Erm...{le broda} is not {zo'e noi ke'a broda}. It's {zo'e noi mi skicu ke'a > do lo ka ce'u broda}. Technically the formal definition has nothing to do > with "having in mind", which sorta confuses me still. Is there some > historical undercurrent here that I don't know about? One use of "le" is in idioms, such as "do klama le tamji le degji le cidni" and "do za'o darxi le morsi xirma". The things being described may not be thumbs, fingers, elbows, or horses at all; you are describing them as such for purposes of the idiom. Pierre -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.