Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QgfpC-0000eH-Vd; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:28:45 -0700 Received: by yxj20 with SMTP id 20sf5574351yxj.16 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:28:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-pair-authenticated:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ZzX4oczU0guwRofEuWxtDRP8KEM9/Qa8Xtw6DjGNu8k=; b=0zP0Rrl8wskCQhGjqgKX7mJsgIZ4EWIkFbsk5qXPAvKCTMZBAluJbquPuhxUJGtcAT OCf7t1HIxwzAVPUuIHZTmjyCFVYQIQZpeU0xdmw0ThmjyIAINX9zQ0qIVlmR3sHkhTT+ /fx0RG8yr3mlzVi0nCqYyuoKttjD/Z+Bezcb8= Received: by 10.150.170.10 with SMTP id s10mr45183ybe.46.1310488059987; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:27:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.177.231 with SMTP id bj39ls227422ibb.2.gmail; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.179.134 with SMTP id bq6mr16950icb.40.1310488058683; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.179.134 with SMTP id bq6mr16949icb.40.1310488058675; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay01.pair.com (relay01.pair.com [209.68.5.15]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id n12si5674818icr.0.2011.07.12.09.27.37; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.15 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) client-ip=209.68.5.15; Received: (qmail 73951 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2011 16:27:35 -0000 Received: from 87.160.144.125 (HELO ?192.168.1.33?) (87.160.144.125) by relay01.pair.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2011 16:27:34 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 87.160.144.125 Message-ID: <4E1C75F0.4080407@plasmatix.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:27:28 +0200 From: Miles Forster User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lojban Beginners Subject: [lojban-beginners] Allowing empty {soi} X-Original-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.15 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) smtp.mail=m3o@plasmatix.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Length: 864 Today I thought it would be very useful to allow {soi} to be filled by zero sumti, instead of the current minimum of one sumti. Then, we can just say {.i mi soi viska do} "I see you and you see me" -> "We see each other.", which is much shorter and actually not very ambiguous either, since there are only two sumti in this bridi anyway. Would there be any hidden ramifications if we allowed this? -- /p4a ja ma%sam ni"dZwanja-\e ta %bja Z mu "karu/ /bja "dZi:wan i kwa "ZwEja ta Z mu "karu/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.