Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QgfuX-0000kP-5X; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:34:15 -0700 Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27sf10128326wwf.16 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:34:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=lgEgYbpp5h9GdBa21SmHwgql1Q9h/hlui4YGi40O7IE=; b=njsuTwgw6pd8UkU+Pc/IHnItQvpSW924Orx6KrYURP9arO/tkEsnIdG9c8wY+rdRl4 YMSb0bUa+jpy5Hf35yBurW/wgr7clTBV7dqhT7DxiiSCjfiqr02cnKL7JD8NIbC97D5u WtOpl/IWIoRYKEA6GkOjexZSFGMrgLWbKsBdw= Received: by 10.216.39.134 with SMTP id d6mr645074web.0.1310488443587; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:34:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.149.75 with SMTP id s11ls201011wbv.2.gmail; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.148.73 with SMTP id o9mr10278wbv.7.1310488442607; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.148.73 with SMTP id o9mr10277wbv.7.1310488442575; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f51.google.com (mail-ww0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c25si6594754wbp.1.2011.07.12.09.34.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.51; Received: by wwj26 with SMTP id 26so4640552wwj.8 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.217.6.197 with SMTP id y47mr4325544wes.55.1310488442185; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:34:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.71.77 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:33:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E1C75F0.4080407@plasmatix.com> References: <4E1C75F0.4080407@plasmatix.com> From: Luke Bergen Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:33:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Allowing empty {soi} To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf302ad69814293704a7e1def9 Content-Length: 4322 --20cf302ad69814293704a7e1def9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 so what would the behavior be if you had more or less than 2 sumti? i.e. what is the meaning of "mi soi klama", "soi klama", or "soi klama fa mi lo zarci lo zdani"? Can you make a little bit more clear what your suggestion/proposal is? On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Miles Forster wrote: > Today I thought it would be very useful to allow {soi} to be filled by zero > sumti, instead of the current minimum of one sumti. > > Then, we can just say {.i mi soi viska do} "I see you and you see me" -> > "We see each other.", which is much shorter and actually not very ambiguous > either, since there are only two sumti in this bridi anyway. > > Would there be any hidden ramifications if we allowed this? > > -- > /p4a ja ma%sam ni"dZwanja-\e ta %bja Z mu "karu/ > /bja "dZi:wan i kwa "ZwEja ta Z mu "karu/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.**com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/lojban-beginners?hl=en > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --20cf302ad69814293704a7e1def9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable so what would the behavior be if you had more or less than 2 sumti? =A0i.e.= what is the meaning of "mi soi klama", "soi klama", or= "soi klama fa mi lo zarci lo zdani"?

Can you = make a little bit more clear what your suggestion/proposal is?

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Miles Fors= ter <m3o@plasmati= x.com> wrote:
Today I thought it would be very useful to allow {soi} to be filled by zero= sumti, instead of the current minimum of one sumti.

Then, we can just say {.i mi soi viska do} "I see you and you see me&q= uot; -> "We see each other.", which is much shorter and actual= ly not very ambiguous either, since there are only two sumti in this bridi = anyway.

Would there be any hidden ramifications if we allowed this?

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