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I admit, though, the repeated necessary {ce} to use simxu for high numbers
of reciprocal sumti is irritating; using an infinite place structure like
{du} would be more convenient, albeit perhaps less theoretically sound.

mu'o mi'e latros

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> I consider {soi} to be rather un-Lojbanic myself; with {simxu} and {ka}, I
> think you can do things much better. If it comes to it, just say {.i simxu}
> or {.i go'i simxu} after the sentence; it's just as good as empty {soi}.
>
> mu'o mi'e latros
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Miles Forster <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:
>
>> Today I thought it would be very useful to allow {soi} to be filled by
>> zero sumti, instead of the current minimum of one sumti.
>>
>> Then, we can just say {.i mi soi viska do} "I see you and you see me" ->
>> "We see each other.", which is much shorter and actually not very ambiguous
>> either, since there are only two sumti in this bridi anyway.
>>
>> Would there be any hidden ramifications if we allowed this?
>>
>> --
>> /p4a ja ma%sam ni"dZwanja-\e ta %bja Z mu "karu/
>> /bja "dZi:wan i kwa "ZwEja ta Z mu "karu/
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I admit, though, the repeated necessary {ce} to use simxu for high numbers =
of reciprocal sumti is irritating; using an infinite place structure like {=
du} would be more convenient, albeit perhaps less theoretically sound.<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e latros<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul =
12, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bl=
indbravado@gmail.com">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-lef=
t: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I consider {soi} to be rather un-Lojbanic myself; with {simxu} and {ka}, I =
think you can do things much better. If it comes to it, just say {.i simxu}=
 or {.i go&#39;i simxu} after the sentence; it&#39;s just as good as empty =
{soi}.<br>

<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e latros<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Miles Forster <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:m3o@plasmatix.com" target=3D"_blank">m3o=
@plasmatix.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Today I thought it would be very useful to allow {soi} to be filled by zero=
 sumti, instead of the current minimum of one sumti.<br>
<br>
Then, we can just say {.i mi soi viska do} &quot;I see you and you see me&q=
uot; -&gt; &quot;We see each other.&quot;, which is much shorter and actual=
ly not very ambiguous either, since there are only two sumti in this bridi =
anyway.<br>


<br>
Would there be any hidden ramifications if we allowed this?<br>
<br>
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