Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QgyYO-0007Du-5H; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:28:41 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf7423924qwh.16 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:28:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=O7uHayw0k4MpTFtSj9ukORHPKIZ4lxDFwf01uUZMm2w=; b=Oy98CT3/Sb0ihVBSiTuBb4L0/ZDyRhspvi2TvbzHfjBnYt5BU54fF/V5h1v5XsoF72 LyCpNoUO+FMeMjeaZsb2dx6miszH5zpgBPqHTV08Id+HMHgrriuuhBenzQIuQznSXCM9 Hk+WAyV1+sSA0OxU1weXK8i2HB9TLOvyK9crw= Received: by 10.229.46.207 with SMTP id k15mr155937qcf.23.1310560107435; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:28:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.21.25 with SMTP id h25ls285544qab.5.gmail; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.205.195 with SMTP id fr3mr1387791qab.24.1310560106829; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.96.6 with SMTP id f6msqan; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:30:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.203.137 with SMTP id fi9mr126115qab.46.1310549421852; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by cq10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:30:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8bbb2854-9a94-4793-9b3a-65be6881a930@u28g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0; Trident/4.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E; GTB7.1),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <039284ab-45c0-4de7-a614-1a4b9ae182f2@cq10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Help with Lojbanising English? From: Kirbytroid To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: kirbytroid@yahoo.co.uk Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2563 OK then, thanks for clearing that up. And for reminding me that the "a" sound is different from "hat", or "Sam", but I suppose that that's the price of using foreign words in Lojban. On Jul 13, 1:53=A0am, Luke Bergen wrote: > And of course if you were trying to make the first "a" sound like the "a"= in > "hat" then you're out of luck. =A0That and the "i" of "kick" have no lojb= an > letter/diphthong. > > Otherwise yeah, I'd go with samueis > On Jul 12, 2011 8:18 PM, "David Gowers (kampu)" <00a...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Kirbytroid > wrote: > > >> coi > > >> I'm new to Lojban, and am currently working through some of the online > >> lessons. It looks really interesting, and I hope to continue learning > >> it. > > >> I just wanted to know how you would write "Samways" in Lojban? > >> I thought that it would be "samueis", but I'd like to have it > >> clarified :D. > > >> English is not phonetically unambiguous, so some people might say > > samueis (IMO this is what you would get if you pronounced the name with > > completely correct and clear English enunciation). People might say > sam,ueis > > or samuais or sam,uias , according to what kind of English accent they > have. > > That's what you have to think about -- the kind of pronunciation you ar= e > > expecting. Lojban is unambiguous about what a particular string of > > characters sounds like, but you still have to decide what sound you are > > intending first :) > > > (the comma isn't phonetically distinct, it just represents whether ther= e > is > > a short pause or not. sam,ueis =3D=3D samueis with different pausation.= ) > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "Lojban Beginners" group.> To post to this group, send email to lojban-be= ginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.> For more options, visit t= his group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > > - Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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