Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ql8sy-00016t-8p; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:19:08 -0700 Received: by vxg38 with SMTP id 38sf2194262vxg.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:18:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=y3dmFuqIzOy1iAPEgjSr5954Vyzr56z5p36d6s4cetw=; b=PXAi2vFfDQmt6Ps5kfBTX0EIoHDkr82kOXZG8Q1vHTVibE6pF8+u1DjJhIOW2AFO2X nxoPnYvacUWH0raKljsNp1CKWlArXi99pAh1Gsf9BcpClE4TQ91rHCaWCvvVVrXl5rs3 099RVcsd+cjv3ckmbzRTic8Wahcsq8osfAtPs= Received: by 10.220.3.133 with SMTP id 5mr573924vcn.1.1311553135233; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:18:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.96.197 with SMTP id du5ls1417886vdb.1.gmail; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.23.176 with SMTP id n16mr689981vdf.20.1311553133169; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.23.176 with SMTP id n16mr689980vdf.20.1311553133159; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id dp3si3900876vdb.3.2011.07.24.17.18.51; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=8mDY8c80ZOa76EOwICuS+E2YRQjxDgO9xqUnRMONc7w= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=4HGbQyySrW8A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=hq-KIg1Lj9eMF0YgZMYA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:32870] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3F/F5-00666-B66BC2E4; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 00:18:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04534141E7 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:18:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Coining a lujvo: "evidence" Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:18:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201107242018.48356.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1251 On Sunday 24 July 2011 18:25:15 .arpis. wrote: > In the extremely likely event that there already exists such a lujvo, I'd > like to know it, and what I should have done to find it. http://vlasisku.lojban.org/evident > When I think of the relationship described by "evidence", it comes to > something like "x1(du'u) is evidence/suggests that x2 (du'u) is true [under > epistemology x3]". > > There is no human component; unless you are in a quantum mechanical > framework, observation does not change the fact. > > Evidence is weaker than proof or logical implication. > > (While writing this, I realize that {nibyti'i} almost means what I want, > but I'm not sure if {lo nibyti'i} can be used to mean "evidence"). I suggest "ve jinvi fo zi'o" -> "zilvelji'i". However, x3 of that isn't the epistemology, it's the subject of the opinion. Pierre -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.