Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qlw4e-0003ql-L0; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:50:27 -0700 Received: by wyh13 with SMTP id 13sf3404549wyh.16 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:50:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=S+aglI2RqtGQGqwa/DNow2ojexcTuBHVzLYBFtNPhnU=; b=HpTiH+VCpiArhtInGeBv4Rwxa3s+PGv8mGWkq1Q76mAvoAZjjdnzKt8xnr0cWYjMpt PPXECjST9vnnvV4SSvAFK1DFX/yaHgU+w+te5EaJXfNzvdFirdFWYmvYWIeTUM3HZpkw F/cLbQBAHH6+YsySvD4jwvkIbtVbyET1E9qv0= Received: by 10.216.61.1 with SMTP id v1mr1312306wec.19.1311742214156; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:50:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.30.217 with SMTP id k65ls573245eea.7.gmail; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.43.8 with SMTP id k8mr424425eeb.19.1311742213087; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.43.8 with SMTP id k8mr424424eeb.19.1311742213063; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f42.google.com (mail-ew0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z64si1942722eez.3.2011.07.26.21.50.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.42; Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so1281205ewy.15 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:50:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.131.213 with SMTP id y21mr284877bks.88.1311742212833; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.70.196 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:50:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 00:50:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Coining a lujvo: "evidence" From: ".arpis." To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174780e4a202a604a905c86d Content-Length: 4831 --0015174780e4a202a604a905c86d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 gah! {oi se'i} I meant {gi'e} in place of {ge}, I think; well, there's a reason I included the English. {na ru'e nibli} is an interesting idea, but I have two problems with it: The first, which you pointed out, is that it can't be made into a lujvo, but this is a minor issue. The second is that {nibli} seems fundamentally to be the wrong word {pe'i}. I'm not sure if it's because I think of logical entailment as distinct from evidence (possibly {malgli} of me) or because it's classified in the CLL as a causal, but there's some nagging sense that it's the wrong tool for the job. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:58 AM, tijlan wrote: > On 26 July 2011 09:47, tijlan wrote: > > [ja'a] klina = to be transparent > > na klina = to be not transparent > > na ru'e klina = to be weakly-not transparent --> to be almost > transparent > > Perhaps I should have said: > > na klina = to not be transparent > na ru'e klina = to weakly-not be transparent --> to almost be transparent > > "to be not ..." sounds more like "[ja'a] na'e ...". > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0015174780e4a202a604a905c86d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable gah! {oi se'i}

I meant {gi'e} in place of {ge}, I think; wel= l, there's a reason I included the English.

{na ru'e nibli} = is an interesting idea, but I have two problems with it:

The first, = which you pointed out, is that it can't be made into a lujvo, but this = is a minor issue.
The second is that {nibli} seems fundamentally to be the wrong word {pe'= ;i}. I'm not sure if it's because I think of logical entailment as = distinct from evidence (possibly {malgli} of me) or because it's classi= fied in the CLL as a causal, but there's some nagging sense that it'= ;s the wrong tool for the job.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:58 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.co= m> wrote:
On 26 July 2011 09:47, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
> =A0[ja'a] klina =3D to be transparent
> =A0na klina =3D to be not transparent
> =A0na ru'e klina =3D to be weakly-not transparent --> to be alm= ost transparent

Perhaps I should have said:

=A0na klina =3D to not be transparent
=A0na ru'e klina =3D to weakly-not be transparent --> to almost be = transparent

"to be not ..." sounds more like "[ja'a] na'e ...&qu= ot;.

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