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What's the difference?

grandpa doesn't like cheese.  This is both evidence against "everybody likes
cheese" AND evidence for "nobody likes cheese".

Evidence for the opposite of a claim is counter-evidence for the claim
itself...
oh, I see.  Yeah, I shouldn't have said " 'grandpa doesn't like cheese' does
not suggest that the hypothesis is true" I should have said " 'grandpa...'
DOES suggest that the counter-hypothesis is true" or some such.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 2:40 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> > What the mabla does {stidi} have to do with anything?  Seems malgli.
>> >
>> > mu'o mi'e la stela selckiku
>>
>> I think suggestion is a very important concept to the definition of
>> "evidence".  A fact F is evidence for hypothesis H if it suggests that H is
>> true.
>>
>> hypothesis: "all human beings enjoy cheese"
>> The fact that "I like cheese" suggests that the hypothesis is true (albeit
>> it is a weak suggestion)
>> The fact that "my entire family likes cheese" suggests that the hypothesis
>> is true (better)
>> The fact that "my grandpa does not like cheese" does NOT suggest that the
>> hypothesis is true therefore it is *counter*-evidence
>
>
> Wouldn't counter-evidence be evidence that suggests that the hypothesis is
> not true, rather than merely not suggesting that the hypothesis is true?
> Counter-evidence is evidence that the opposite is true.
>
> stevo
>
>>
>> Evidence compounds upon itself to make the suggestion stronger and
>> stronger that the hypothesis is true.
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What&#39;s the difference?<div><br></div><div>grandpa doesn&#39;t like chee=
se. =A0This is both evidence against &quot;everybody likes cheese&quot; AND=
 evidence for &quot;nobody likes cheese&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>Evi=
dence for the opposite of a claim is counter-evidence for the claim itself.=
..</div>

<div>oh, I see. =A0Yeah, I shouldn&#39;t have said &quot; &#39;grandpa does=
n&#39;t like cheese&#39; does not suggest that the hypothesis is true&quot;=
 I should have said &quot; &#39;grandpa...&#39; DOES suggest that the count=
er-hypothesis is true&quot; or some such.<br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 2:40 PM, MorphemeAdd=
ict <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com">lytlesw@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">

<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:31 P=
M, Luke Bergen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">lukeabergen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;pa=
dding-left:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>&gt; What the mabla does {stidi} have to do with anything? =A0Seems ma=
lgli.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la stela selckiku<br><br></div>I th=
ink suggestion is a very important concept to the definition of &quot;evide=
nce&quot;. =A0A fact F is evidence for hypothesis H if it suggests that H i=
s true.<br>



<br>hypothesis: &quot;all human beings enjoy cheese&quot;<br>The fact that =
&quot;I like cheese&quot; suggests that the hypothesis is true (albeit it i=
s a weak suggestion)<br>The fact that &quot;my entire family likes cheese&q=
uot; suggests that the hypothesis is true (better)<br>



The fact that &quot;my grandpa does not like cheese&quot; does NOT suggest =
that the hypothesis is true therefore it is <i>counter</i>-evidence </block=
quote>
<div>=A0</div>
</div><div>Wouldn&#39;t counter-evidence be evidence that suggests that the=
 hypothesis is not true, rather than merely not suggesting that the hypothe=
sis is true? Counter-evidence is evidence that the opposite is true. </div>


<div>=A0</div>
<div>stevo</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;pa=
dding-left:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">
<div><br></div>
<div>Evidence compounds upon itself to make the suggestion stronger and str=
onger that the hypothesis is true.</div>
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