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On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 4:24 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
> But what if I want to say something like "That an apple falls is evidence
> that Newton is right."

I would say:
{lodu'u lo plise cu farlu ku nibyti'i lodu'u la niutyn drani}

"the fact that apples fall, is an evidence that Newton was right"

>
> {lo du'u lo plise ku na'o farlu kei ku nibyti'i lo du'u la .niutyn. jai
> drani} doesn't seem right to me; it's not evident [...]
> that an apple falling indicates that Newton is right.

If you think that "an apple falling" is not an evidence for "Newton to
be right", why do you want to say it?

> (How would one call "the law of universal gravitation" in lojban?)
That's interesting. I guess we should first decide how to translate
"law" in this context. I wouldn't say that it's a {flalu}, Gravity
could be {velfa'u}?
(And what about physics? It's not in jbovlaste, would {meiske} work?)

> {lo du'u lo plise ku na'o farlu kei ku zilvelji'i lo du'u la .niutyn. jai
> drani kei lo termu'eske} seems to be closer to what is meant when "evidence"
> is used.
It seems to convoluted to me. I don't see how this would be clearer
than {nibyti'i}

Also I don't get the {jai} you have in your examples.

remod

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