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Luke:
I agree; the objection I have with {nibyti'i} is the importance of the
subjectivity.

Remo:
In my ideolect, "x is evident" does not mean that "x is evidence"
Also, upon consideration, I realize that I was misusing {jai}; I was using
it instead of {tu'a la .niutyn. li'o}, which itself I realize is wrong.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Monday 25 July 2011 11:46:22 Remo Dentato wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 4:24 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > (How would one call "the law of universal gravitation" in lojban?)
> >
> > That's interesting. I guess we should first decide how to translate
> > "law" in this context. I wouldn't say that it's a {flalu}, Gravity
> > could be {velfa'u}?
>
> I'd say it's a javni.
>
> > (And what about physics? It's not in jbovlaste, would {meiske} work?)
>
> I've seen "mu'eske" used.
> --
> La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre.
> Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.
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Luke:<br>I agree; the objection I have with {nibyti&#39;i} is the importanc=
e of the subjectivity.<br><br>Remo:<br>In my ideolect, &quot;x is evident&q=
uot; does not mean that &quot;x is evidence&quot;<br>Also, upon considerati=
on, I realize that I was misusing {jai}; I was using it instead of {tu&#39;=
a la .niutyn. li&#39;o}, which itself I realize is wrong.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Pierre Abb=
at <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma.op=
tus.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Monday 25 July 2011 11:46:22 Remo Dentato wrote:<br>
&gt; On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 4:24 PM, .arpis. &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rpglove=
r64%2Bjbobau@gmail.com">rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
wrote:<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">&gt; &gt; (How would one call &quot;the law of univ=
ersal gravitation&quot; in lojban?)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; That&#39;s interesting. I guess we should first decide how to translat=
e<br>
&gt; &quot;law&quot; in this context. I wouldn&#39;t say that it&#39;s a {f=
lalu}, Gravity<br>
&gt; could be {velfa&#39;u}?<br>
<br>
</div>I&#39;d say it&#39;s a javni.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; (And what about physics? It&#39;s not in jbovlaste, would {meiske} wor=
k?)<br>
<br>
</div>I&#39;ve seen &quot;mu&#39;eske&quot; used.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888">--<br>
La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre.<br>
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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