Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QlZTi-0008Ux-3A; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:42:48 -0700 Received: by wyh13 with SMTP id 13sf481133wyh.16 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:42:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xKGK4nigWxdEANLc+OSnlB11hUkPhUB0ibnosRpgVVk=; b=YYUiuCIosJ0ntoM3MEpdNM9N8MMM7fb6XN94lPKQSkMcfnG85AOcL/C1TugcIWKStM yxksMjkQ4juUSBW4Vwf74S32L4Y0aj6uCa4nJNfq7F7nw6W/x5tch8eI5RZydRmYldiF /rScLmzzE0mK9KjQ6SgFc9ytstjprDpQUdxMc= Received: by 10.216.29.4 with SMTP id h4mr2114937wea.19.1311655355491; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:42:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.15.130 with SMTP id f2ls501182eef.2.canary; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.22.69 with SMTP id s45mr315461ees.21.1311655354268; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.22.69 with SMTP id s45mr315460ees.21.1311655354241; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f50.google.com (mail-ew0-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p1si200944eeh.1.2011.07.25.21.42.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.50; Received: by ewy10 with SMTP id 10so67717ewy.37 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:42:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.7.205 with SMTP id e13mr1521259bke.36.1311655353998; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.70.196 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:42:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 00:42:33 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Coining a lujvo: "evidence" From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174becf8715f3a04a8f18faf Content-Length: 4957 --0015174becf8715f3a04a8f18faf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Because {ganai abu jetnu ge lo du'u abu nibli by kei ku jetnu gi by jetnu}. (In case my lojban is wrong) If A is true and {A nibli B} is true, then B is true. However, (taking {lo nibyti'i} to mean evidence, which I still don't like) {naku zo'u ganai abu jetnu ge lo du'u abu ba'e nibyti'i by kei ku jetnu gi by jetnu}. It is not true that if A is true and {A nibyti'i B} is true, then B is true. You might be eating it to be polite, or because you've been deprived of food for the last week; it is not true that there is a logical implication, but your eating it _is_ evidence that you like it. On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 8:43 AM, tijlan wrote: > On 25 July 2011 11:09, Remo Dentato wrote: > > {lo du'u do nelci ku se nibyti'i} -> it is evident that you like it! > > > > {lo nu do citka ku nibyti'i lo du'u do nelci} -> Since you're eating > > it, you surely like it! > > How is that different from: > > nibli lo du'u do nelci > It logically implies that you like it. > > lo nu do citka cu nibli lo du'u do nelci > Your eating it logically implies that you like it. > > mu'o mi'e tijlan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0015174becf8715f3a04a8f18faf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Because {ganai abu jetnu ge lo du'u abu nibli by kei ku jetnu gi by jet= nu}. (In case my lojban is wrong) If A is true and {A nibli B} is true, the= n B is true.

However, (taking {lo nibyti'i} to mean evidence, wh= ich I still don't like) {naku zo'u ganai abu jetnu ge lo du'u a= bu ba'e nibyti'i by kei ku jetnu gi by jetnu}. It is not true that = if A is true and {A nibyti'i B} is true, then B is true.

You might be eating it to be polite, or because you've been deprive= d of food for the last week; it is not true that there is a logical implica= tion, but your eating it _is_ evidence that you like it.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 8:43 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
On 25 July 2011 11:09, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
> {lo du'u do nelci ku se nibyti'i} -> it is evident that you= like it!
>
> {lo nu do citka ku nibyti'i lo du'u do nelci} -> Since you&= #39;re eating
> it, you surely like it!

How is that different from:

=A0nibli lo du'u do nelci
=A0It logically implies that you like it.

=A0lo nu do citka cu nibli lo du'u do nelci
=A0Your eating it logically implies that you like it.

mu'o mi'e tijlan

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