Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QoTRX-0005Dc-T4; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:52:34 -0700 Received: by gyh20 with SMTP id 20sf249041gyh.16 for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:52:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=F/3Z3jlbEC3cg7pX6whYiHJqG6HNW03k/wapWM5jnV0=; b=KvYm+yRZZIl4gW7GQ0yezB5ye0DfhhqqOAg3XkMCnpgm8Gz4TSI4yqUb1Z9sm2rhsm lb3tyCIwUzXUoKcvwa5rNlncbngYFHC43vERzILHhPUPuEqd6TLrPt4H6BH3vEbgoIXr hl+fSx1seTRGvRI88/IdGJzCVWQvbR6oG8oJo= Received: by 10.90.38.1 with SMTP id l1mr580989agl.3.1312347142286; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:52:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.179.157 with SMTP id bq29ls560972ibb.2.gmail; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.152.69 with SMTP id h5mr1504961icw.96.1312347133636; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.152.69 with SMTP id h5mr1504960icw.96.1312347133626; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f45.google.com (mail-pz0-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v9si2596103pbc.2.2011.08.02.21.52.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.45; Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so637754pzk.4 for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:52:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.92.10 with SMTP id u10mr1381539wfl.16.1312347133291; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.60.106 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 21:52:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <643b76b3-4882-4a17-9dd4-c95609652c69@s17g2000yqs.googlegroups.com> References: <643b76b3-4882-4a17-9dd4-c95609652c69@s17g2000yqs.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 01:52:13 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How to say "the x which/who/that does y, does z" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1724 You want a relative clause, as in {lo ninmu poi ponse lo karce cu mamta mi} Refer to http://dag.github.com/cll/8/1/ for detailed explanation. On 2 August 2011 20:41, wrote: > Hi, everyone. Or, should I say, coi rodo. It's my first time at this > group and I've been familiarizing myself with Lojban for the past > month. It's been going well, but I have run into an issue that I have > not found a good answer for anywhere on the internet. > > How do you say "the x which/who/that does y, does z"? Sort of like an > appositive; I'm not sure exactly what to call it. I know that, in this > language, being and doing are the same. If the way to do this is > context-sensitive, then please translate the sentence "The woman who > owns a car is my mother." I know that it should involve "le ninmu," > "ponse lo karce" (or some conjugational variation thereof), and "le mi > mamta" or "le mamta po'e mi". > > Any help you can give is appreciated. Thanks. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.