Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QoUAf-0007co-Kn; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:39:11 -0700 Received: by yxj20 with SMTP id 20sf866603yxj.16 for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:39:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=YXjAFR//C6P9Vq7bDYbdd98/oo8fNtqPGJxlDUXp5mE=; b=d9RJgMJVSro89v6iCmIWruV1df9HNko0crgdhSp7aQQtnFac5RfjyzuFaDptgmrCxc RGurVOkT8RIGEAE/IvnjPkqWJ4stiaD+sCJV22dpimqTmnzdxCKDSmyhTw2RqHaY4jir VxredvFoWGSAJWf522muHElXaY1BnLjThv3J8= Received: by 10.150.8.20 with SMTP id 20mr27708ybh.22.1312349939980; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:38:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.181.82 with SMTP id bx18ls101996ibb.1.gmail; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.18.134 with SMTP id x6mr726105ica.28.1312349936495; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.18.134 with SMTP id x6mr726103ica.28.1312349936484; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com (mail-iy0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fc18si507661icb.1.2011.08.02.22.38.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.171; Received: by mail-iy0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 13so105256iyf.2 for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:38:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.46.65 with SMTP id un1mr4527012icb.20.1312349936176; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.166.1 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:38:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <246b16f2-c892-4fd0-b329-96271b271bf1@k8g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> References: <28766495.1817.1310280099392.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqyy3> <246b16f2-c892-4fd0-b329-96271b271bf1@k8g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 07:38:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: "mi prami do" or "mi cu prami do" ? From: Remo Dentato To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1131 On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:44 AM, wrote: > "cu" is optional in the majority of cases where it is appropriate. It > means nothing more than "is"/"are"/"am." You only need to use it when > not doing so could be confusing. I would suggest not to think this way. {cu} has no meaning whatsoever. It just separates the sumti from the selbri so to avoid unwanted tanru. pro-sumti do not need {cu} because they cannot form a tanru with the selbri and, hence, it can be omitted. It is needed in {lo nanmu cu prami lo ninmu} because otherwise {lo nanmu prami} would be a "masculine type of love"} But it's not needed in {mi cu prami do} as {mi} can't be associated with {prami} in any other way that being the x1 sumti. Hope it helps. remod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.