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Why is "lo ponskina" okay? Just because it ends in a full-length
gismu?

On Aug 18, 9:49=A0pm, Pierre Abbat <p...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Thursday 18 August 2011 22:36:37 Jed wrote:
>
> > Is it okay to use "lo," "le," and their derivative forms as articles
> > for:
>
> > 1. Words created from roots, e.g. "ponkin" (anime)
> > 2. Words whose context is apparent from the truncated gismu at their
> > beginnings, e.g. "cidjrdonat." (doughnut)
>
> > Or do I just have to use "la" and its derivative forms? I believe I've
> > seen it written both ways, although I've never learned about these
> > types of proper nouns in depth, and I don't know whether it's really
> > correct to do so.
>
> Those words are cmevla, so you have to use "la",
> e.g. "la .ponkin.". "lo .ponkin." is ungrammatical. You can make a selbri=
 by
> preceding it with "me": "tu me la .kobus. la .kob." (a kind of African
> bovid). This is called a type-2 fu'ivla. You can also, of course, say "lo
> ponskina".
>
> Pierre
>
> --
> La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre.
> Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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