Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qwyk3-0001WS-67; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:54:51 -0700 Received: by wyj26 with SMTP id 26sf6303678wyj.16 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:54:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4XTN/j5hT45u4X1MD9xLHcElvXF0n922GTcN4WSW93A=; b=nFeEZz/4T74czysRpN3F4TLXFTBOPTEwz+TWPWVvtTcBuuU4EhgUPhS1osAxvfC/LI NK9R1auQYd0xbGVmssZEU+wKLwjJhvD9urIaY4sUpMKVZGrbF++7RSbs81vxDVAcbTe6 tD+nfjwvvdT3F8ShMLSgyNVjr/zf710M1DbY8= Received: by 10.216.134.82 with SMTP id r60mr427543wei.15.1314374077777; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:54:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.8.5 with SMTP id f5ls461408ebf.2.gmail; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.106.13 with SMTP id v13mr510776ebo.3.1314374076444; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.106.13 with SMTP id v13mr510775ebo.3.1314374076415; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f46.google.com (mail-fx0-f46.google.com [209.85.161.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p10si259926fak.1.2011.08.26.08.54.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.46; Received: by mail-fx0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 19so3927380fxh.33 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:54:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.88.214 with SMTP id b22mr63718fam.5.1314374076293; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.41.68 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:54:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <41f3563c-23b4-4c7b-96fc-8b5fcd11033a@z1g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <41f3563c-23b4-4c7b-96fc-8b5fcd11033a@z1g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:54:36 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban "r" From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3f57eeb633904ab6a8f59 Content-Length: 4942 --000e0cd3f57eeb633904ab6a8f59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Do you pronounce the English word better as "betteir"? On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Viral Lamb wrote: > While trying to get back into learning lojban, I came across something > I thought was rather important. When saying the word "lerfu" (which > means letter I think) I noticed that it sounds like I'm saying > "leirfu" (even though that isn't a word xD ). > > I pronounce the letter "r" in lojban the same way I would in english, > and I found that's the root of the problem. When pronouncing the "e" > and "r" together, I can't help but say it like "leirfu". Using a > "trilled r" such as in spanish or esperanto, the "e" sound doesn't > turn into a "ei" sound. > > Is there any other way to pronounce the "r" in lojban, cuz I think I > can trill my "r"s most of the time, but I'm certainly not perfect. > Trying to say "hamstron" the way the guy in this video says it (1:15) > is certainly a challenge, yet good for practice. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INCr1bV8kGk > > Is this a big problem, or am I making too big a fuss? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Viral Lamb <jms1992@comcast.net> wrote:
While trying to get back into learning lojban, I came across something
I thought was rather important. When saying the word "lerfu" (which
means letter I think) I noticed that it sounds like I'm saying
"leirfu" (even though that isn't a word xD ).

I pronounce the letter "r" in lojban the same way I would in english,
and I found that's the root of the problem. When pronouncing the "e"
and "r" together, I can't help but say it like "leirfu". Using a
"trilled r" such as in spanish or esperanto, the "e" sound doesn't
turn into a "ei" sound.

Is there any other way to pronounce the "r" in lojban, cuz I think I
can trill my "r"s most of the time, but I'm certainly not perfect.
Trying to say "hamstron" the way the guy in this video says it (1:15)
is certainly a challenge, yet good for practice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INCr1bV8kGk

Is this a big problem, or am I making too big a fuss?

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