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On Friday 26 August 2011 07:40:34 Viral Lamb wrote:
> While trying to get back into learning lojban, I came across something
> I thought was rather important. When saying the word "lerfu" (which
> means letter I think) I noticed that it sounds like I'm saying
> "leirfu" (even though that isn't a word xD ).
>
> I pronounce the letter "r" in lojban the same way I would in english,
> and I found that's the root of the problem. When pronouncing the "e"
> and "r" together, I can't help but say it like "leirfu". Using a
> "trilled r" such as in spanish or esperanto, the "e" sound doesn't
> turn into a "ei" sound.

Trilled, flapped, tapped, and English "r" are all valid in Lojban. I usually 
say a trill or tap, except when syllabic and not next to "x"; in "lerfu" I'd 
say a tap.

Pierre
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