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My point is that the "er" in "better" is pronounced comparably to the "er"
in "lerfu".

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com>wrote:

> I pronounce it as {betr} or if I'm enunciating as {betyr}
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Do you pronounce the English word better as "betteir"?
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Viral Lamb <jms1992@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> While trying to get back into learning lojban, I came across something
>>> I thought was rather important. When saying the word "lerfu" (which
>>> means letter I think) I noticed that it sounds like I'm saying
>>> "leirfu" (even though that isn't a word xD ).
>>>
>>> I pronounce the letter "r" in lojban the same way I would in english,
>>> and I found that's the root of the problem. When pronouncing the "e"
>>> and "r" together, I can't help but say it like "leirfu". Using a
>>> "trilled r" such as in spanish or esperanto, the "e" sound doesn't
>>> turn into a "ei" sound.
>>>
>>> Is there any other way to pronounce the "r" in lojban, cuz I think I
>>> can trill my "r"s most of the time, but I'm certainly not perfect.
>>> Trying to say "hamstron" the way the guy in this video says it (1:15)
>>> is certainly a challenge, yet good for practice.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INCr1bV8kGk
>>>
>>> Is this a big problem, or am I making too big a fuss?
>>>
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>>
>>
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>>
>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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My point is that the &quot;er&quot; in &quot;better&quot; is pronounced com=
parably to the &quot;er&quot; in &quot;lerfu&quot;. <br><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rpglover64@gmail.com">rpglover64@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I pronounce it as {betr} or if I&#39;m enun=
ciating as {betyr}<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div c=
lass=3D"h5">
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5=
">Do you pronounce the English word better as &quot;betteir&quot;?<br><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Viral Lamb <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:jms1992@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">jms1992@comcast.net</a=
>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

</div><div><div></div><div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">While trying to g=
et back into learning lojban, I came across something<br>
I thought was rather important. When saying the word &quot;lerfu&quot; (whi=
ch<br>
means letter I think) I noticed that it sounds like I&#39;m saying<br>
&quot;leirfu&quot; (even though that isn&#39;t a word xD ).<br>
<br>
I pronounce the letter &quot;r&quot; in lojban the same way I would in engl=
ish,<br>
and I found that&#39;s the root of the problem. When pronouncing the &quot;=
e&quot;<br>
and &quot;r&quot; together, I can&#39;t help but say it like &quot;leirfu&q=
uot;. Using a<br>
&quot;trilled r&quot; such as in spanish or esperanto, the &quot;e&quot; so=
und doesn&#39;t<br>
turn into a &quot;ei&quot; sound.<br>
<br>
Is there any other way to pronounce the &quot;r&quot; in lojban, cuz I thin=
k I<br>
can trill my &quot;r&quot;s most of the time, but I&#39;m certainly not per=
fect.<br>
Trying to say &quot;hamstron&quot; the way the guy in this video says it (1=
:15)<br>
is certainly a challenge, yet good for practice. <a href=3D"http://www.yout=
ube.com/watch?v=3DINCr1bV8kGk" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/wat=
ch?v=3DINCr1bV8kGk</a><br>
<br>
Is this a big problem, or am I making too big a fuss?<br>
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