Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QoZyI-0005q3-IT; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 04:50:49 -0700 Received: by vxg38 with SMTP id 38sf484363vxg.16 for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 04:50:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=P5zRyBSJWceb3ct2vavI5R/2sLqJaH4rHZL3lyOX5T8=; b=4humbxbwMoBmuJWJ0lryttKED13MvdmgtsiD3WwaBxTsoq3hsArgSWvrUpMgqpZUXp ewO6PGkz5eUKxOuPT87u59NWmpZ3ymSVhfsmSqXuewPSYEBLACVCNckqMu9veiHKIdK/ CysDraIYK3G8ra8G3FgIQOOSgCuAjNh5qfTOE= Received: by 10.220.177.196 with SMTP id bj4mr1078232vcb.53.1312372236834; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 04:50:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.69.141 with SMTP id e13ls372569vdu.1.gmail; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 04:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.47 with SMTP id k15mr1288183vdt.24.1312372235512; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 04:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.47 with SMTP id k15mr1288182vdt.24.1312372235501; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 04:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id v13si1012405vdf.3.2011.08.03.04.50.33; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 04:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=8mDY8c80ZOa76EOwICuS+E2YRQjxDgO9xqUnRMONc7w= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=p_bpPeJiuOYA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=-vrb3P1R0SulD7-cbaoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:52154] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id CF/37-00666-906393E4; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:50:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37EE2140E for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 07:50:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: "mi prami do" or "mi cu prami do" ? Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 07:50:21 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <28766495.1817.1310280099392.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqyy3> <246b16f2-c892-4fd0-b329-96271b271bf1@k8g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <246b16f2-c892-4fd0-b329-96271b271bf1@k8g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201108030750.25490.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1908 On Tuesday 02 August 2011 19:44:28 three65daysaweek@yahoo.com wrote: > "cu" is optional in the majority of cases where it is appropriate. It > means nothing more than "is"/"are"/"am." You only need to use it when > not doing so could be confusing. "cu" does not mean "is"; that's inherent in such words as "blanu", which=20 means "is blue" rather than just "blue". (There is no such thing as an=20 adjective in Lojban.) The closest natlang equivalent I know of is Tok=20 Pisin "i". It's called the predicate marker. > On Jul 10, 1:41=A0am, najrut wrote: > > Should "mi prami do" be translated as 'I love you' ? > > > > I think "mi prami" means "x1 loves x2 in my way" as mi is attached to > > prami. Then i should say "mi cu prami do" ? > > > > Where is my mistake ? If I'm wrong then how should I say "he loves her = in > > my way" ? There's no difference, other than the word "cu", between "mi prami do" and = "mi=20 cu prami do". There is just as much difference between "mi laikim yu" and "= mi=20 i laikim yu"; one normally says the former, but the latter is not, AFAIK,= =20 ungrammatical. It is not the difference between "I love you" and "I am lovi= ng=20 you"; the latter is "mi ca ca'o prami do" in Lojban and "mi laikim yu i sta= p"=20 in Tok Pisin. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "he loves her in my way", but it may be= =20 something like "ko'a ko'e prami se tai mi" Pierre --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.