On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Jonathan Jo= nes <eyeonus@gmai= l.com> wrote:

The Lojban sound-cluster that sounds like the English "air" is {e= ir}, not {er}. .ebu is pronounced as the "e" in "bett= er", ""wet", "pest", etc= . The pronunciation example the CLL uses is "let", "What is Loj= ban?" lists the pronunciation in IPA as "e [E] ([e= ]): a front mid vowel", "Lojban for Beginners" uses the = example "get", and= the English pronunciation guide uses the examples "b<= strong style=3D"font-weight:normal">et, lens".

On Fri, Au= g 26, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

Is it? =A0I thought the {er} in {lerfu} is supposed to be pronounced like e= nglish "air" (but with the r being trilled or tapped or whatever)= . =A0I think if I heard someone in lojban say {lrfu} as though it rymed wit= h "smurf-u" I would laugh my zargu off. =A0It's just so engli= sh-y sounding.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at= 1:09 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

My point is that the "er" in "better" is pronounced com= parably to the "er" in "lerfu".

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.co= m> wrote:

I pronounce it as {betr} or if I'm enunc= iating as {betyr}

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

Do you pron= ounce the English word better as "betteir"?

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Viral Lamb <jms1992@comcast.net> wrote:

While trying to g= et back into learning lojban, I came across something
I thought was rather important. When saying the word "lerfu" (whi= ch
means letter I think) I noticed that it sounds like I'm saying
"leirfu" (even though that isn't a word xD ).

I pronounce the letter "r" in lojban the same way I would in engl= ish,
and I found that's the root of the problem. When pronouncing the "= e"
and "r" together, I can't help but say it like "leirfu&q= uot;. Using a
"trilled r" such as in spanish or esperanto, the "e" so= und doesn't
turn into a "ei" sound.

Is there any other way to pronounce the "r" in lojban, cuz I thin= k I
can trill my "r"s most of the time, but I'm certainly not per= fect.
Trying to say "hamstron" the way the guy in this video says it (1= :15)
is certainly a challenge, yet good for practice. http://www.youtube.com/wat= ch?v=3DINCr1bV8kGk

Is this a big problem, or am I making too big a fuss?

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