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On Sunday 14 August 2011 12:37:05 jongausib wrote:
> coi roda jbopli,
>
> I'm not very good at lojban yet. However I like to think about the
> meaning of words and so far I have entered a lot of lojban-swedish
> entries in jbovlaste.
>
> Now I would like to translate some concepts into lujvo, but I'm not
> quite sure how to get the lujvos right. I've read Lojban reference
> grammar about lujvo-making (chapter 4, section 11), but I don't
> understand the test for `tosmabru failure''.

"tosmabru" and "slinku'i" are sort of complementary. You have a wordoid A 
which begins with CV. You remove the CV and get a wordoid B. B necessarily 
begins with a consonant cluster. A and B cannot both be words. If B is a 
lujvo and A also looks like a lujvo, A is called a tosmabru. If A is a lujvo 
and B looks like a fu'ivla, B is called a slinku'i. And if B is a slinku'i, 
you can prepend CVV or V or VV and get a valid fu'ivla (e.g. eskrima, 
estrema).

When you're entering words into jbovlaste, it'll tell you if a word is 
invalid. Sometimes it's wrong, such as "damskrima" (a badly formed, but 
valid, fu'ivla which should be either "dambrskrima" or "eskrima"), but just 
for fu'ivla and maybe cmevla.

When you get around to coining fu'ivla, ask me or xorxes. Occasionally we 
disagree (e.g. "aierne" doesn't fit his rules, it should be "ai'erne").

Pierre
-- 
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