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Then I would have a problem distinguishing which is being said outside of
context, as unless {cirlrfu} and {cirlerfu} have different emphasis, they
sound the same to me- at least when I say them. Fortunately the meanings are
so different I wouldn't have this problem if either were used in a sentence.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Friday 26 August 2011 14:51:50 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > I don't see how that's a problem. I can't imagine a scenario in which
> > "lrfu" would occur, let alone one in which it could be confused with
> > {lerfu}.
>
> If there's a cheese named Foo, it could be called "cirlrfu" in Lojban.
> Whereas
> lo cirlerfu could be a letter used historically, or a letter designating a
> historical period, or the like.
>
> Pierre
> --
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Then I would have a problem distinguishing which is being said outside of c=
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und the same to me- at least when I say them. Fortunately the meanings are =
so different I wouldn&#39;t have this problem if either were used in a sent=
ence.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Pierre Abba=
t <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma.opt=
us.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
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<div class=3D"im">On Friday 26 August 2011 14:51:50 Jonathan Jones wrote:<b=
r>
&gt; I don&#39;t see how that&#39;s a problem. I can&#39;t imagine a scenar=
io in which<br>
&gt; &quot;lrfu&quot; would occur, let alone one in which it could be confu=
sed with<br>
&gt; {lerfu}.<br>
<br>
</div>If there&#39;s a cheese named Foo, it could be called &quot;cirlrfu&q=
uot; in Lojban. Whereas<br>
lo cirlerfu could be a letter used historically, or a letter designating a<=
br>
historical period, or the like.<br>
<br>
Pierre<br>
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I believe in Yellow when I&#39;m in Sweden and in Black when I&#39;m in Wal=
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