Received: from mail-pz0-f56.google.com ([209.85.210.56]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qx8Cf-0004tY-Ml; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:01:00 -0700 Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33sf1841727pzk.1 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:00:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=l9f+PlG8Ny/FTjyFabJ8eXPM5Ayd4a4j/FgHKOVMv8U=; b=N2G8I4Tyw+J/RzTunW+MQ232U6+hRFFeTRI2TrXl7RJ+QOblocp1ymTsgR0if/YfYW KejJJb7/o2xXK6xq743nkDoNidgTnHXTJTf2ksRD4wSOgqWFOpNDJRkzuKJ6x38TQxG+ ezHG2hkqZmQ4jekER+8wYLnIZPvygnqwt60ts= Received: by 10.142.52.4 with SMTP id z4mr148023wfz.36.1314410444013; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:00:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.33.193 with SMTP id t1ls2176366pbi.0.gmail; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:00:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.214.17 with SMTP id m17mr161557wfg.35.1314410443073; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by s2g2000prm.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:00:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <41f3563c-23b4-4c7b-96fc-8b5fcd11033a@z1g2000prf.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/535.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/13.0.782.215 Safari/535.1,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban "r" From: ranoritc To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: ranorith@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ranorith@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ranorith@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1432 I definitely pronounce the first "e" in "better" differently to the second "e", so I'm not sure this works for me at all. Took me some time to stop pronouncing "er" in lojban words as "yr", as this is how I normally pronounce it in English. I agree with Luke that it should rhyme with air (or mostly rhyme), at least in my dialect. On Aug 27, 3:29=A0am, Jonathan Jones wrote: > The Lojban sound-cluster that sounds like the English "air" is {eir}, not > {er}. .ebu is pronounced as the "e" in "b*e*tt*e*r", ""w*e*t", "p*e*st", > etc. The pronunciation example the CLL uses is > "l*e*t", > "What is Lojban?" lists the pronunciation in IPA as "e [E] ([e]): a front > mid vowel" , > "Lojban for Beginners" uses the example > "g*e*t", > and the English pronunciation guide uses the examples "b*e*t, > l*e*ns" > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.