Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qx9nG-000301-BE; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:42:53 -0700 Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3sf6246427gxk.16 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:42:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vTF4TEbQy0Y5xfqxsJwyR5vlU4TrtcYwdrIvp9xnOGU=; b=C5bjpPbAG4FINLPm2ttHdrP2IYp1JFErSKDUJ19VPEalDnxg3Av7h/udYlqZ3ZfShE ItiVbZ6MuFFtZKRCpUyV/6+1p7ErsK4mM6qvyg2UsH/1j+LxMcEzoQfkwCstQ9n2B4Pb eYd4zNlAuMULqPdWatzmWMR0XtvyF8JwwBjxM= Received: by 10.101.164.35 with SMTP id r35mr360718ano.2.1314416561072; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:42:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.249.16 with SMTP id w16ls6695661anh.3.gmail; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.163.18 with SMTP id q18mr1582962ano.49.1314416559414; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.163.18 with SMTP id q18mr1582961ano.49.1314416559390; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yi0-f45.google.com (mail-yi0-f45.google.com [209.85.218.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g7si2958082ane.1.2011.08.26.20.42.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.218.45; Received: by yih10 with SMTP id 10so2564760yih.32 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.195.65 with SMTP id o41mr3147572yhn.38.1314416558385; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:42:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.109.163 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:42:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <41f3563c-23b4-4c7b-96fc-8b5fcd11033a@z1g2000prf.googlegroups.com> From: Luke Bergen Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:42:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban "r" To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305b090c0caacb04ab74741c Content-Length: 6708 --20cf305b090c0caacb04ab74741c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ok, all this "e" as in "let" stuff is killing me so here: http://cinch.fm/lbergen/275225 Admittedly, I got a little sloppy on the last word (cirlrfu) but I attribute that to the fact that my tongue is still getting used to trilling and back-to-back syllables with "r" in it are like an obstacle course for my tongue (ta'o still expressing relief at having sorpreka to save me from having to say sorprekarce .u'i) Also, listening to myself again I think I screwed up on the emphasis... oh well. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:00 PM, ranoritc wrote: > > I definitely pronounce the first "e" in "better" differently to the > second "e", so I'm not sure this works for me at all. Took me some > time to stop pronouncing "er" in lojban words as "yr", as this is how > I normally pronounce it in English. I agree with Luke that it should > rhyme with air (or mostly rhyme), at least in my dialect. > > On Aug 27, 3:29 am, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > The Lojban sound-cluster that sounds like the English "air" is {eir}, not > > {er}. .ebu is pronounced as the "e" in "b*e*tt*e*r", ""w*e*t", "p*e*st", > > etc. The pronunciation example the CLL uses is > > "l*e*t", > > "What is Lojban?" lists the pronunciation in IPA as "e [E] ([e]): a front > > mid vowel" >, > > "Lojban for Beginners" uses the example > > "g*e*t"< > http://www.tlg.uci.edu/%7Eopoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less1.html#...>, > > and the English pronunciation guide uses the examples "b*e*t, > > l*e*ns" > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --20cf305b090c0caacb04ab74741c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, all this "e" as in "let" stuff is killing me so her= e:

Admittedly, I got a little sloppy on the= last word (cirlrfu) but I attribute that to the fact that my tongue is sti= ll getting used to trilling and back-to-back syllables with "r" i= n it are like an=A0obstacle=A0course for my tongue (ta'o still expressi= ng relief at having sorpreka to save me from having to say sorprekarce .u&#= 39;i)

Also, listening to myself again I think I screwed up on= the emphasis... oh well.

On Fri, Aug 26,= 2011 at 10:00 PM, ranoritc <ranorith@gmail.com> wrote:

I definitely pronounce the first "e" in "better" differ= ently to the
second "e", so I'm not sure this works for me at all. Took me= some
time to stop pronouncing "er" in lojban words as "yr", = as this is how
I normally pronounce it in English. I agree with Luke that it should
rhyme with air (or mostly rhyme), at least in my dialect.

On Aug 27, 3:29=A0am, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Lojban sound-cluster that sounds like the English "air" = is {eir}, not
> {er}. .ebu is pronounced as the "e" = in "b*e*tt*e*r", ""w*e*t", "p*e*st",
> etc. The pronunciation example the CLL uses is=
> "l*e*t"<http://dag.github.com/cll/2/2/>,=
> "What is Lojban?" lists the pronunci= ation in IPA as "e [E] ([e]): a front
> mid vowel" <http://lojb= an.org/publications/level0/brochure/phonapp.html>,
> "Lojban for Beginners" uses the exam= ple
> "g*e*t"<http://www.tlg.u= ci.edu/%7Eopoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less1.html#...>,
> and the English pronunciation guide uses the example= s "b*e*t,
> l*e*ns"<http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Pronunciation+= guide+in+English>
>

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