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> No. Your "er" and your "eir" are both my "eir". I can hear a difference,
> but I wouldn't think either of them were "er". Your "er" is not my "er", you
> "r" is.


Sounds malgli to me.  If I heard syllabic "r" I would not think that there
was supposed to be an "e" in there.  Does my "er" not sounds like it has the
"e" sound in it?  Because I've worked quite hard at making my mouth be able
to do  that.  It feels very unnatural to my lazy english tongue to put "e"
and "r" back to back like that.  It keeps trying to be lazy and turn it into
just "runn*er*"

Sorry, just going to have to agree to disagree on this one then because I'm
never going to speak lojban with those sounds.  I'm too big a fan of
audiovisual isomorphism to be dropping vowels here and there.

If your way of pronouncing things is the "official" way then please add the
"er"/"r" lack of distinction here:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Breakdowns+of+audiovisual+isomorphism

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No. Your &quot;er&quot; and your &quot;eir&quot; are both my &quot;eir&quot=
;. I can hear a difference, but I wouldn&#39;t think either of them were &q=
uot;er&quot;. Your &quot;er&quot; is not my &quot;er&quot;, you &quot;r&quo=
t; is.</blockquote>

<div><br></div><div>Sounds malgli to me. =A0If I heard syllabic &quot;r&quo=
t; I would not think that there was supposed to be an &quot;e&quot; in ther=
e. =A0Does my &quot;er&quot; not sounds like it has the &quot;e&quot; sound=
 in it? =A0Because I&#39;ve worked quite hard at making my mouth be able to=
 do =A0that. =A0It feels very unnatural to my lazy english tongue to put &q=
uot;e&quot; and &quot;r&quot; back to back like that. =A0It keeps trying to=
 be lazy and turn it into just &quot;runn<u>er</u>&quot;</div>

<div><br></div><div>Sorry, just going to have to agree to disagree on this =
one then because I&#39;m never going to speak lojban with those sounds. =A0=
I&#39;m too big a fan of audiovisual=A0isomorphism to be dropping vowels he=
re and there.</div>

<div><br></div><div>If your way of pronouncing things is the &quot;official=
&quot; way then please add the &quot;er&quot;/&quot;r&quot; lack of distinc=
tion here:=A0<a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Breakdowns+of+audiovisua=
l+isomorphism" target=3D"_blank">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Breakdowns+of+a=
udiovisual+isomorphism</a></div>

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