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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban "r"
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On 28 August 2011 05:52, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> ugh. =C2=A0The way that I pronounced "r" in that audio had absolutely ZER=
O "e" in
> it (at least to my ears). =C2=A0Arbitrarily dropping vowels in
> word=C2=A0pronunciation=C2=A0just feels so friggin' unlojbanic that I'm a=
 little
> offput right now.

I take your audio as follows:

  er [=C9=9B(=CB=90)r]
  eir [e=C9=AAr]
  r [=C9=9A=CB=90]
  lrfu [l=C9=99rfu]
  cirlrfu [=CA=83=C9=AArl=C9=99rfu]
  cirlerfu [=CA=83=C9=AArl=C9=9Brfu]

  Samples for each IPA symbol: http://www.yorku.ca/earmstro/ipa/
  (Note that, for consonants, he is adding an actual vowel to
illustrate different positional realizations, such that "r" --> [ra:]
& [ara:] & [a:r] )

I don't hear /e/ -- [e] or [=C9=9B] -- in your "r", but it sounds more like
a vowel than a consonant. And it's certainly not the [r] that you are
using for the other words.

To be more hair-splitting as pertains to the "er/eir" issue: I hear,
if I try, a slight lengthening of the /e/ in your "er", becoming
closer to the length of "eir", but the vowels themselves seem still
distinguishable in the way you pronounce them.


mu'o

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