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I pronounce {er} like in "bett*er*". I pronounce {eir} like in "*air*". The
two do not sound alike, and I don't have Luke's problem with thinking it
sounds too "Englishy" to pronounce {er} like that.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Viral Lamb <jms1992@comcast.net> wrote:

> Uh, not being able to tell the difference between the 'e' and 'ei'
> sound because of the letter 'r' does have the potential for
> misunderstandings. This isn't just a "oh well its close enough", this
> goes very much against one of the founding principles of the language,
> audiovisual isomorphism. Considering all the different cmene, lujvo,
> and fu'ivla you could create, I see lots of room for this problem to
> crop up.
>
> And no, its not just "some people" who have a problem pronouncing "er"
> and "eir" differently, its everyone from what I can see. I've yet to
> see how anyone "could" pronounce them differently. If anyone would
> like to prove me wrong I'm all ears.
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I pronounce {er} like in &quot;bett<u>er</u>&quot;. I pronounce {eir} like =
in &quot;<u>air</u>&quot;. The two do not sound alike, and I don&#39;t have=
 Luke&#39;s problem with thinking it sounds too &quot;Englishy&quot; to pro=
nounce {er} like that.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Viral Lamb =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jms1992@comcast.net">jms1992@comcas=
t.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Uh, not being able to tell the difference between the &#39;e&#39; and &#39;=
ei&#39;<br>
sound because of the letter &#39;r&#39; does have the potential for<br>
misunderstandings. This isn&#39;t just a &quot;oh well its close enough&quo=
t;, this<br>
goes very much against one of the founding principles of the language,<br>
audiovisual isomorphism. Considering all the different cmene, lujvo,<br>
and fu&#39;ivla you could create, I see lots of room for this problem to<br=
>
crop up.<br>
<br>
And no, its not just &quot;some people&quot; who have a problem pronouncing=
 &quot;er&quot;<br>
and &quot;eir&quot; differently, its everyone from what I can see. I&#39;ve=
 yet to<br>
see how anyone &quot;could&quot; pronounce them differently. If anyone woul=
d<br>
like to prove me wrong I&#39;m all ears.<br>
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