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On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I pronounce {er} like in "bett*er*". I pronounce {eir} like in "*air*".
>> The two do not sound alike, and I don't have Luke's problem with thinking it
>> sounds too "Englishy" to pronounce {er} like that.
>>
>>>
> The only issue is that it's not how lojban is pronounced.
>

I'm sorry, I have to disagree with you. Lojban is very permissive with
pronunciation. The only person who's ever even suggested that you can't use
the sound in "bett*e*r" for .ebu that I am aware of is you.


> I imagine that some of our ponjbope'o had some trouble learning
> how/when/where to use "l" vs "r" but at the end of they day they will/should
> because that's how lojban is pronounced.  If you can't pronounce "er" as "e"
> followed by "r" then practice.
>
>
>>  And no, its not just "some people" who have a problem pronouncing "er"
>>
>>>  and "eir" differently, its everyone from what I can see. I've yet to
>>
>>>  see how anyone "could" pronounce them differently. If anyone would
>> like to prove me wrong I'm all ears.
>>
>
> http://cinch.fm/lbergen/276687
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Luke Be=
rgen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.com">lukeabe=
rgen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im"><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">I pronounce {er} like in &quot;bett<u>er</u>&quot;. I pronounce {eir} =
like in &quot;<u>air</u>&quot;. The two do not sound alike, and I don&#39;t=
 have Luke&#39;s problem with thinking it sounds too &quot;Englishy&quot; t=
o pronounce {er} like that.<div>


<div></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><=
/blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>The on=
ly issue is that it&#39;s not how lojban is pronounced. </div>
</div></blockquote><div><br>I&#39;m sorry, I have to disagree with you. Loj=
ban is very permissive with pronunciation. The only person who&#39;s ever e=
ven suggested that you can&#39;t use the sound in &quot;bett<u>e</u>r&quot;=
 for .ebu that I am aware of is you.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8=
ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div>I imagine that some of our ponjbope&#39;o had some =
trouble learning how/when/where to use &quot;l&quot; vs &quot;r&quot; but a=
t the end of they day they will/should because that&#39;s how lojban is pro=
nounced. =A0If you can&#39;t pronounce &quot;er&quot; as &quot;e&quot; foll=
owed by &quot;r&quot; then practice.</div>
<div class=3D"im">

<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;=
margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color=
:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">

</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px=
;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 20=
4);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">


<blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>And no, its not just &qu=
ot;some people&quot; who have a problem pronouncing &quot;er&quot;<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex">


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;=
margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color=
:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">

<blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>and &quot;eir&quot; diff=
erently, its everyone from what I can see. I&#39;ve yet to<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex">


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;=
margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color=
:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">

<blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>see how anyone &quot;cou=
ld&quot; pronounce them differently. If anyone would<br>
like to prove me wrong I&#39;m all ears.</div></div></div></blockquote><div=
><br></div></div><div><a href=3D"http://cinch.fm/lbergen/276687" target=3D"=
_blank">http://cinch.fm/lbergen/276687</a>=A0</div></div>

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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
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