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No. There is no silent e in "better". A silent e is one that makes no sound.
There is a silent e in "Euclid", "hate", "bite".

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Viral Lamb <jms1992@comcast.net> wrote:

> you pronounce "er" like the "er" in "better"? That means your using a
> silent 'e'?
>
> On Aug 29, 6:01 pm, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I pronounce {er} like in "bett*er*". I pronounce {eir} like in "*air*".
> The
> > two do not sound alike, and I don't have Luke's problem with thinking it
> > sounds too "Englishy" to pronounce {er} like that.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Viral Lamb <jms1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > Uh, not being able to tell the difference between the 'e' and 'ei'
> > > sound because of the letter 'r' does have the potential for
> > > misunderstandings. This isn't just a "oh well its close enough", this
> > > goes very much against one of the founding principles of the language,
> > > audiovisual isomorphism. Considering all the different cmene, lujvo,
> > > and fu'ivla you could create, I see lots of room for this problem to
> > > crop up.
> >
> > > And no, its not just "some people" who have a problem pronouncing "er"
> > > and "eir" differently, its everyone from what I can see. I've yet to
> > > see how anyone "could" pronounce them differently. If anyone would
> > > like to prove me wrong I'm all ears.
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> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >
> > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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No. There is no silent e in &quot;better&quot;. A silent e is one that make=
s no sound. There is a silent e in &quot;Euclid&quot;, &quot;hate&quot;, &q=
uot;bite&quot;.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7=
:07 PM, Viral Lamb <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jms1992@comcast.=
net">jms1992@comcast.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">you pronounce &quot;er&quot; like the &quot=
;er&quot; in &quot;better&quot;? That means your using a<br>
silent &#39;e&#39;?<br>
<br>
On Aug 29, 6:01=A0pm, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeo...@gmail.co=
m">eyeo...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; I pronounce {er} like in &quot;bett*er*&quot;. I pronounce {eir} like =
in &quot;*air*&quot;. The<br>
<div class=3D"im">&gt; two do not sound alike, and I don&#39;t have Luke&#3=
9;s problem with thinking it<br>
&gt; sounds too &quot;Englishy&quot; to pronounce {er} like that.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">&gt; On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Viral Lamb &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:jms1...@comcast.net">jms1...@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br>
&gt; &gt; Uh, not being able to tell the difference between the &#39;e&#39;=
 and &#39;ei&#39;<br>
&gt; &gt; sound because of the letter &#39;r&#39; does have the potential f=
or<br>
&gt; &gt; misunderstandings. This isn&#39;t just a &quot;oh well its close =
enough&quot;, this<br>
&gt; &gt; goes very much against one of the founding principles of the lang=
uage,<br>
&gt; &gt; audiovisual isomorphism. Considering all the different cmene, luj=
vo,<br>
&gt; &gt; and fu&#39;ivla you could create, I see lots of room for this pro=
blem to<br>
&gt; &gt; crop up.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; And no, its not just &quot;some people&quot; who have a problem p=
ronouncing &quot;er&quot;<br>
&gt; &gt; and &quot;eir&quot; differently, its everyone from what I can see=
. I&#39;ve yet to<br>
&gt; &gt; see how anyone &quot;could&quot; pronounce them differently. If a=
nyone would<br>
&gt; &gt; like to prove me wrong I&#39;m all ears.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; --<br>
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e Groups<br>
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" target=3D"_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den=
</a>.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; .i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo=
&#39;o<br>
&gt; (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>
<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.l=
uk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. =
:D )<br>
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