Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qya7K-0003h1-I3; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:01:28 -0700 Received: by vxh7 with SMTP id 7sf42205vxh.16 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:01:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=sVZ9j/OFT9mJ6gMrqvH/qdmRrVkWUPjEvjQy2hUgHhM=; b=xQGC70nRFHfl6IPiSn9wsMRzoQVxkzKxgbV5r7FRWgne3UOY1WxZvUOAy+CwC2O2fn 67I3McrkmbxrvuVaPMJhFzjGCnW742BLegpmKQ7HL/Ea+dkFOZHs7nQINyt4f+C9ayLB QY8beN/QPlw2q0natd8eQ8XwgxxFo3gxFHxIU= Received: by 10.220.185.67 with SMTP id cn3mr1043143vcb.17.1314756075596; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:01:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.161.134 with SMTP id xs6ls3328063vdb.0.gmail; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.173.101 with SMTP id bj5mr1766012vdc.21.1314756074936; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.173.101 with SMTP id bj5mr1766011vdc.21.1314756074928; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f45.google.com (mail-vw0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l6si9014956vdt.0.2011.08.30.19.01.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.45; Received: by mail-vw0-f45.google.com with SMTP id 17so277201vws.18 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:01:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.22.132 with SMTP id d4mr2104103vdf.318.1314756074816; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.169.38 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:01:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4882a06e-2e00-4240-94f2-10f89a34325a@r8g2000prd.googlegroups.com> References: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D382F29DCA9@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> <4882a06e-2e00-4240-94f2-10f89a34325a@r8g2000prd.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 23:01:14 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban "r" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1272 On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Viral Lamb wrote: > Nah, "Vi" doesn't make every "V" sound with it just sound like a > lengthening. This is just a problem with the letter 'e' right next to > 'r' causing this problem. Presumably English speakers have no problem distinguishing "berry" (Lojban spelled: beri) from "bay-reef" (Lojban spelled: beirif). The context that causes problems for English speakers is not just "r" after "e", but end-of-syllable -er/-eir, because neither of those occur in English. If I were to suggest a way of approximating those, I would say to use the distinction between "pear" and "payer". Those are best Lojbanized as "peyr" and "peiyr", but since y does not occur in those contexts in Lojban, that should not cause too much trouble. Of course it's best if you can avoid the intrusive "y", but at least it won't cause any ambiguities. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.