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On , Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Remo Dentato rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Personally, I would consider malglico trying to translate this
>> "Tranquility" with a lujvo because a lujvo is a relation an not a
>> word, it's just because in our native language there's not such
>> distinction that we mix the two things.
> That is not a valid argument. fu'ivla are also relations.

I realized I was unclear the second I hit "Send" :( Sorry.

I meant the confusion between the relations:

"x1 is the word 'Tranquility' spoken on the Moon ... etc"
"x1 is a state of tranquility experencied by ... etc"

we just say "tranquility" in both cases.

My argument is that for the first relation, a specific usage of an English  
word, I would propose a fui'vla ({trankuilti} if we agree to solve the  
accent issue this way) and for the second i would use the lujvo {tolxanka}  
({nu tolxanka}).

Hope I managed to be a little bit clearer.

remod

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On , Jonathan Jones &lt;eyeonus@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br />&gt; On Tue, Aug =
30, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Remo Dentato rdentato@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br /><br /=
>&gt;&gt; Personally, I would consider malglico trying to translate this<br=
 />&gt;&gt; &quot;Tranquility&quot; with a lujvo because a lujvo is a relat=
ion an not a<br />&gt;&gt; word, it&#39;s just because in our native langua=
ge there&#39;s not such<br />&gt;&gt; distinction that we mix the two thing=
s.<br />&gt; That is not a valid argument. fu&#39;ivla are also relations.<=
br /><br />I realized I was unclear the second I hit &quot;Send&quot; :( So=
rry.<br /><br />I meant  the confusion between the relations:<br /><br />  =
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;<br />   &quot;x1 is a state of tranquility experencied by ... etc&quot;<b=
r /><br />we just say &quot;tranquility&quot; in both cases.<br /><br />My =
argument is that for the first relation, a specific usage of an English wor=
d, I would propose a fui&#39;vla ({trankuilti} if we agree to solve the acc=
ent issue this way) and for the second i would use the lujvo  {tolxanka} ({=
nu tolxanka}).<br /><br />Hope I managed to be a little bit clearer.<br /><=
br />remod

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