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On Monday 05 September 2011 16:54:31 luk. wrote:
> Good day all,
>
> In my new GTD system, I have listed "Achieve Basic Fluency in Lojban"
> as a Someday/Maybe item. In order to flesh out that basic goal, I need
> a bit more information.
>
> What knowledge do I need to master to achieve basic fluency? This
> would include reading, writing, speaking and listening. I would define
> "basic" as 2 on a scale of 1 to 5. 1 is novice, 3 is intermediate, 4
> is advanced, and 5 is expert.
>
> For example, would "memorizing all gismu" be a part of basic Lojban
> fluency? If not, what lesser list of gismu would suffice? What other
> recommendations do people have for achieving basic lojban fluency?

I would not require all gismu for being fluent. I still occasionally run into 
one I don't know. And not everybody's list of gismu for fluency is the same. 
For example, "jaspu" is unimportant to one who has never left his state, but 
critical to a korgretro.

There's a group, le lojbo bangu cipra kamni, which is tasked with composing a 
test of Lojban proficiency. But the last two messages (not counting one I 
accidentally sent to all Lojban lists) were by me and went unanswered. One 
was a proposal of rating scales; the other was a reading comprehension 
passage.

You may be thinking of the ILR scale, which has five levels, but the higher 
levels are described by comparison to educated native speakers, and there 
aren't enough native Lojban speakers to make valid comparisons.

Do you know any Lojbanists you can talk with? If not, would you like to?

Pierre
-- 
lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko

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