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I don't think there are any native Lojban speakers, and there won't be
for awhile.

Anyway, I would definitely agree that learning the cmavo, as well as
how to use them contextually, is more important than learning all the
gismu. I think an unspoken necessity that really is important is
learning all the terminators. Before I started getting into those, I
had to restructure my sentences to contain "cu", which acts as a
universal terminator.

I think if you basically know and can recognize about half of the
gismu, and most of their rafsi, you are good.

On Sep 17, 10:25=A0pm, Pierre Abbat <p...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Monday 05 September 2011 16:54:31 luk. wrote:
>
> > Good day all,
>
> > In my new GTD system, I have listed "Achieve Basic Fluency in Lojban"
> > as a Someday/Maybe item. In order to flesh out that basic goal, I need
> > a bit more information.
>
> > What knowledge do I need to master to achieve basic fluency? This
> > would include reading, writing, speaking and listening. I would define
> > "basic" as 2 on a scale of 1 to 5. 1 is novice, 3 is intermediate, 4
> > is advanced, and 5 is expert.
>
> > For example, would "memorizing all gismu" be a part of basic Lojban
> > fluency? If not, what lesser list of gismu would suffice? What other
> > recommendations do people have for achieving basic lojban fluency?
>
> I would not require all gismu for being fluent. I still occasionally run =
into
> one I don't know. And not everybody's list of gismu for fluency is the sa=
me.
> For example, "jaspu" is unimportant to one who has never left his state, =
but
> critical to a korgretro.
>
> There's a group, le lojbo bangu cipra kamni, which is tasked with composi=
ng a
> test of Lojban proficiency. But the last two messages (not counting one I
> accidentally sent to all Lojban lists) were by me and went unanswered. On=
e
> was a proposal of rating scales; the other was a reading comprehension
> passage.
>
> You may be thinking of the ILR scale, which has five levels, but the high=
er
> levels are described by comparison to educated native speakers, and there
> aren't enough native Lojban speakers to make valid comparisons.
>
> Do you know any Lojbanists you can talk with? If not, would you like to?
>
> Pierre
> --
> lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko

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