Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:51454) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RJfgD-0007sG-Da; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:12:42 -0700 Received: by ywa17 with SMTP id 17sf5831901ywa.16 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:12:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=nDDDrCQ8uLzYcV7bMtXTw8J0cYXW7wMI0pyXeig3EFY=; b=SsshLf4pBvQSh6zB1ZKGfdxI9qQoIOPMf7uTsYmu3OiFDomhYB2K1g8rokkSX4QIg5 Hg6xqvir51+LGEgPsR56JhBJ03Ptd1dpsKgTwvRkf0anw1R5p8VglxbOaY7nKxRZuvER yT8D8TtlDjaccrvFrJhcGOonLXPNP6QR4HG3M= Received: by 10.236.112.242 with SMTP id y78mr321603yhg.3.1319782338955; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:12:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.184.209 with SMTP id cl17ls4909954qab.0.gmail; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.33.68 with SMTP id g4mr2045242qad.3.1319782338345; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.33.68 with SMTP id g4mr2045241qad.3.1319782338335; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f179.google.com (mail-qy0-f179.google.com [209.85.216.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j29si5473564qcs.2.2011.10.27.23.12.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.179; Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31so4504534qyk.17 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:12:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.77.164 with SMTP id t4mr278253obw.9.1319782338035; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.48.102 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:12:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <530743b7-bdb3-46a9-ab3b-6da364561a92@j36g2000prh.googlegroups.com> References: <530743b7-bdb3-46a9-ab3b-6da364561a92@j36g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:12:17 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How to use skari? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444016270805a04b055c5ae X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 6033 --f46d0444016270805a04b055c5ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I don't like the way jbofi'e parsed it, but it sounds right to me: Intended meaning: "Greenish-blue is the colour of the ocean." Lojban bridi: {lo cicna cu se skari lo braxamsi} Jbofi'e parse: [1(2*[skari2 (hue(s)) :] **lo* *any/some* *cicna* *cyan(s)*)= 2 *cu* *is/does* =AB3*se* *skari* *being hue(s)*=BB3 (4*[skari1 (thing(s) hav= ing colour) :] **lo* *any/some* *braxamsi* *big sea(s)/ocean(s)(s)*)4]1 (Note: I used {braxamsi} rather than {xamsi} because {braxamsi} implies tha= t the ocean is an Earthly one (based on the comments on the words)- oceans on other planets may be different colours.) On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Patrick Finneran wr= ote: > The definition of {skari} is x1 is/appears to be of color/hue x2 as > perceived/seen by x3 under conditions x4. The way I read that, x1 is > a colored object (i.e., an apple), and x2 is the color (i.e., red). > However, the word is apparently glossed as "color". I would imagine > that the way to say "color", as in "favorite color" would be {selska}, > since that fits with how I'm reading the place structure of {skari} in > the first place. Am I wrong on this? Am I right? This is just one > of the more confusing gismu I've ran across. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --f46d0444016270805a04b055c5ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I don't like the way jbofi'e parsed it, but it sounds right t= o me:

Intended meaning: "Greenish-blue is the colour of the oce= an."
Lojban bridi: {lo cicna cu se skari lo braxamsi}
Jbofi'= e parse: [1(2= [skari2 (hue(s)) :] lo any/some cicna cyan(s))2 cu is/does =AB3<= strong class=3D"lojban">se skari being hue(s)=BB3 (4[skari1 (thin= g(s) having colour) :] lo any/some braxamsi big sea(s)/ocean(s)(s))4]1
(Note: I used {braxamsi} ra= ther than {xamsi} because {braxamsi} implies that the ocean is an Earthly o= ne (based on the comments on the words)- oceans on other planets may be dif= ferent colours.)

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Patrick Fin= neran <sonarm= an.77@gmail.com> wrote:
The definition of {skari} is x1 is/appears to be of color/hue x2 as
perceived/seen by x3 under conditions x4. =A0The way I read that, x1 is
a colored object (i.e., an apple), and x2 is the color (i.e., red).
However, the word is apparently glossed as "color". =A0I would im= agine
that the way to say "color", as in "favorite color" wou= ld be {selska},
since that fits with how I'm reading the place structure of {skari} in<= br> the first place. =A0Am I wrong on this? =A0Am I right? =A0This is just one<= br> of the more confusing gismu I've ran across.

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