Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:59367) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RKTf3-0006Cb-C2; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:34:47 -0700 Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30sf7505774qyk.16 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:34:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=MK6sAB0yjuj1x/hNtjgwE90rUqPbzoHNj8iC/FKH8UQ=; b=typbSoUWRUou3NWf84ENiulZs3cLKTHoEWv6RV4mXxV1rY7+Kf1qGrD7NpR+tb2HLd NM379ndaV1anZnPC9+7ZQGM706fq7nHI9/ewTkcDiIY3qKRV9ZIrNShWXi5p47kpmFHp WQ/lnf2ebo9+dDfw3K1GoJ/Y+TqnWE8Ivv904= Received: by 10.229.210.133 with SMTP id gk5mr319057qcb.12.1319974466590; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:34:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.188.6 with SMTP id cy6ls10434496qab.6.gmail; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.187.197 with SMTP id cx5mr15574242qab.1.1319974465852; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.181.17 with SMTP id bw17msqab; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.52.193 with SMTP id j1mr14054600qag.8.1319972911922; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.52.193 with SMTP id j1mr14054599qag.8.1319972911916; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f179.google.com (mail-vx0-f179.google.com [209.85.220.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c23si10894223qci.0.2011.10.30.04.08.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.179; Received: by mail-vx0-f179.google.com with SMTP id fl13so4232141vcb.10 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:08:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.2.209 with SMTP id 17mr1683498vck.195.1319972911732; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.150.1 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 04:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 11:08:31 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] ".i xu kau" vs ".i kau" From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 975 According to CLL13:13, "kau" "marks the word it is attached to as the focus of an indirect question". "The word" isn't specified to be one of the question words like "ma", "xu", etc., which is consistent with the usage of other discursives such as "pe'a" and "ki'a". ".i kau ..." would be as grammatical as ".i ki'a ...". But neither the CLL nor the BPFK section seems to have an example of ".i kau ...". The definition above, then, leads me to think that ".i kau ..." would be one whole sentence being marked as what is being indirectly questioned. How would that be different from ".i xu kau ..."? mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.