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On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Sam <titan485@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> The biggest stumbling block for me is that I can't recall any lojban
> words. They seem meaningless and homogenous. I can speak basic
> spanish, german, and arabic, express myself freely in french, know
> basic phrases in japanese, chinese, serbian, latin, and quenya, and
> all of those have been by far easier to pick up than lojban.
>
> I've tried spaced-repetition software such as Anki, and less cool
> flashcards like Quizlet. The problem is I need context to give these
> words meaning. The IRC channel is silent. Using an operating system
> (like linux) in Lojban would let me learn most of the related
> operating system words and phrases. Watching programs in lojban would
> be enormously helpful, but there is no such thing.
>
> I was wondering if anyone had suggestions about what worked for them
> in remembering this language which, while containing shadows in
> phonetic choice of the five most spoken languages, is kind of steep in
> learning curve.
>
> I know a technique espoused by some educators is to give things a
> pneumonic,
>

1. "mnemonic" (not "pneumonic")

> such as preti --> "[vous =EAtes] pr=EAt?" Which is a
> question... But this seems like heresy for the spirit of lojban.
>
2. Whatever works. Lojban doesn't care. I used to use Logflash, but that wa=
s
three computers ago.

stevo

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<div>On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Sam <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:titan485@gmail.com">titan485@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-wid=
th: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class=3D"gmail_quote">

<p>Hey all,<br>
<br>
The biggest stumbling block for me is that I can&#39;t recall any lojban<br=
>
words. They seem meaningless and homogenous. I can speak basic<br>
spanish, german, and arabic, express myself freely in french, know<br>
basic phrases in japanese, chinese, serbian, latin, and quenya, and<br>
all of those have been by far easier to pick up than lojban.<br>
<br>
I&#39;ve tried spaced-repetition software such as Anki, and less cool<br>
flashcards like Quizlet. The problem is I need context to give these<br>
words meaning. The IRC channel is silent. Using an operating system<br>
(like linux) in Lojban would let me learn most of the related<br>
operating system words and phrases. Watching programs in lojban would<br>
be enormously helpful, but there is no such thing.<br>
<br>
I was wondering if anyone had suggestions about what worked for them<br>
in remembering this language which, while containing shadows in<br>
phonetic choice of the five most spoken languages, is kind of steep in<br>
learning curve.<br>
<br>
I know a technique espoused by some educators is to give things a<br>
pneumonic, </p></blockquote><div><div>=A0</div><div>1. &quot;mnemonic&quot;=
 (not &quot;pneumonic&quot;)</div></div><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); bord=
er-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class=3D"gmail_quote">

<p>such as preti --&gt; &quot;[vous =EAtes] pr=EAt?&quot; Which is a<br>
question... But this seems like heresy for the spirit of lojban.<br></p></b=
lockquote><div><div>2. Whatever works. Lojban doesn&#39;t care. I used to u=
se Logflash, but that was three computers ago. </div><div><br>stevo</div>

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