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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:40 PM, .alyn.post. wrote: > camxes returns a valid parse: > > http://camxes.lojban.org/camxes/?text=tu%27o+to+toi > > So one of them is wrong. > > -Alan > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 05:08:42PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > I know that {to}* = ( and {toi}* = ). {tu'o} is "null operand (used in > > unary mekso operations).", so I would assume the error is caused by > > jbofi'e expecting sumti for tu'o to operate on, and getting to...toi > > instead. > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:59 PM, .alyn.post. > > <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > > > > This statement gives me an error in jbofihe: > > > > *$ echo "tu'o to toi"|jbofihe > > > > I assume that the above is valid Lojban, and that jbofihe is in > > error here: tu ... toi is in the free production, which should be > > able to appear nearly anywhere. > > > > Yes? > > > > -Alan > > -- > > .i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to > > [2]lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [3]lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > [4]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > > (Come to the Dot Side! 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Corrections? Suggestions?

On Wed, Oct= 12, 2011 at 7:40 PM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
camxes returns a valid parse:

=A0http://camxes.lojban.org/camxes/?text=3Dtu%27o+to+toi

So one of them is wrong.

-Alan

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 05:08:42PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> =A0 =A0I know that {to}* =3D ( and {toi}* =3D ). {tu'o} is "n= ull operand (used in
> =A0 =A0unary mekso operations).", so I would as= sume the error is caused by
> =A0 =A0jbofi'e expecting sumti for tu'o to operate on, and get= ting to...toi
> =A0 =A0instead.
>
> =A0 =A0On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:59 PM, .alyn.post.
> =A0 =A0<[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0This statement gives me an error in jbofihe:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0*$ echo "tu'o to toi"|jbofihe
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0I assume that the above is valid Lojban, and that jbofihe i= s in
> =A0 =A0 =A0error here: tu ... toi is in the free production, which sho= uld be
> =A0 =A0 =A0able to appear nearly anywhere.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0Yes?
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0-Alan
> =A0 =A0 =A0--
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>
> =A0 =A0.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patf= u do zo'o
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