Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:54887) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RE9NT-0004lb-Mp; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:42:34 -0700 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf544189bka.16 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:42:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=oyqzHJljoi6e2ZmcsLIuLXS0/hlZoLz2hmcEjG2boUI=; b=nMm4Y4FUPEELoPNDRA1NV+LQLsL01MWuYO+pOK385eg8f2eJBO3zQ6uCv1vySMy4v/ CMIQeI8TNzm470SMemF6qBUYeMw17S1RsGxoKCiGQ5/JypIoBGW5PXlVVo6pJEoZiKNV qovzYuUMSZnNvH9gXHOtkgXZOolUCHKGHY03s= Received: by 10.223.76.5 with SMTP id a5mr502924fak.3.1318466527612; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:42:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.15 with SMTP id q15ls1200843bks.0.gmail; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.140.67 with SMTP id h3mr130897bku.3.1318466526206; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.140.67 with SMTP id h3mr130896bku.3.1318466526180; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f41.google.com (mail-bw0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p10si287349bkq.2.2011.10.12.17.42.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.41; Received: by mail-bw0-f41.google.com with SMTP id zu5so133293bkb.28 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:42:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.76.11 with SMTP id a11mr2309036fak.1.1318466525972; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.74.16 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:42:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201110121552.04137.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:42:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] {pau} without e.g. {ma} or {xu} From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747b9b8edcae304af23689c X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 7948 --00151747b9b8edcae304af23689c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 li'a should be after go'i I think... mu'o mi'e latros On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > oooo, just thought of another interesting usage. > > A: ti'epei la djim prami la pam > B: ti'enai li'a go'i > > A: Did you hear, jim loves pam > B: No, I didn't hear, it knew because it was obvious > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> Also, don't forget about our good friend {pei}. Questions that aren't >> really questions can be expressed like that. e.g. "mi sruma lo du'u broda >> kei .iepei". This way you are basically tagging the "lo nu broda kei" with >> a question of "do you agree with it" in stead of a plain ol' >> boolean/fill-in-the-blank question word. This is useful for other things as >> well e.g. "mi'o citka lo plise .uiro'opei". You're making a statement while >> simultaniously asking how the listener feels about it. >> On Oct 12, 2011 3:52 PM, "Pierre Abbat" wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday 12 October 2011 15:41:52 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: >>> > I just found myself, in English, ending a sentence that started with "I >>> > assume" with a question mark. >>> > >>> > I was asking a question, but I had no question words in the sentence. >>> > >>> > {xu mi sruma ko'a} would translate as "Do I assume {ko'a}?", which is >>> not >>> > what I meant. >>> > >>> > Is {pau mi sruma ko'a} grammatical (I expect so)? >>> > Is it a horrible misuse of {pau} (I hope not)? >>> > Would you understand it, and would it offend your lojbanic >>> sensibilities? >>> >>> It is grammatical, and "pau" can be used without a question word, but I'd >>> have >>> to see the sentence in context to judge whether it's right. >>> >>> Pierre >>> >>> -- >>> Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >>> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --00151747b9b8edcae304af23689c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable li'a should be after go'i I think...

mu'o mi'e latr= os

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Luke = Bergen <lukea= bergen@gmail.com> wrote:
oooo, just thought of another interesting u= sage.

A: ti'epei la djim prami la pam
B: t= i'enai li'a go'i

A: Did you hear, jim loves pam
B: No, I didn&= #39;t hear, it knew because it was obvious


On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Luke Bergen= <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

Also, don't forget about our good friend {pei}. Questions that aren&= #39;t really questions can be expressed like that.=A0 e.g. "mi sruma l= o du'u broda kei .iepei".=A0 This way you are basically tagging th= e "lo nu broda kei" with a question of "do you agree with it= " in stead of a plain ol' boolean/fill-in-the-blank question word.= =A0 This is useful for other things as well e.g. "mi'o citka lo pl= ise .uiro'opei".=A0 You're making a statement while simultanio= usly asking how the listener feels about it.

On Oct 12, 2011 3:52 PM, "Pierre Abbat"= ; <phma@phma.opt= us.nu> wrote:
On Wednesday 12 October 2011 15:41:52 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote:
> I just found myself, in English, ending a sentence that started with &= quot;I
> assume" with a question mark.
>
> I was asking a question, but I had no question words in the sentence.<= br> >
> {xu mi sruma ko'a} would translate as "Do I assume {ko'a}= ?", which is not
> what I meant.
>
> Is {pau mi sruma ko'a} grammatical (I expect so)?
> Is it a horrible misuse of {pau} (I hope not)?
> Would you understand it, and would it offend your lojbanic sensibiliti= es?

It is grammatical, and "pau" can be used without a question word,= but I'd have
to see the sentence in context to judge whether it's right.

Pierre

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