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{.oi mabla glico}

and I meant "lay" as the past tense of "lie".

Interestingly enough, the definition of {selfa'a} in jbovlaste mentions
"oriented" but not the definition of {farna}

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Saturday 15 October 2011 20:00:14 .arpis. wrote:
> > An example sentence is, "I lay down face down on the bed." (as opposed to
> > "I lay down face up on the bed.")
> >
> > {mi pinvre lo ckana fa'a ri} seems to be an incorrect translation, since
> > {fa'a} refers to the direction of the event, not the orientation of the
> > person.
> >
> > Would {mi noi farna lo ckana ku pinvre ri} be better?
>
> That means "I, who am a direction of the bed, lie horizontally on it.". I
> think you've found a hole in the vocabulary. I don't remember seeing
> anything
> meaning "x1 is oriented in orientation x2", either in the gismu or in the
> spatial tenses. "farna" says what the direction of x2 from x3 is, but not
> how
> either of them is oriented. "carna" says that x1 rotates about axis x2, but
> not what it points at when it's finished.
>
> Nitpick: "I lay down" means "mi punji lo ranpi'u". You mean "I lie down".
>
> Pierre
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{.oi mabla glico}<br><br>and I meant &quot;lay&quot; as the past tense of &=
quot;lie&quot;.<br><br>Interestingly enough, the definition of {selfa&#39;a=
} in jbovlaste mentions &quot;oriented&quot; but not the definition of {far=
na}<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Pierre Abba=
t <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma.opt=
us.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">On Saturday 15 October 2011 20:00:14 .arp=
is. wrote:<br>
&gt; An example sentence is, &quot;I lay down face down on the bed.&quot; (=
as opposed to<br>
&gt; &quot;I lay down face up on the bed.&quot;)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; {mi pinvre lo ckana fa&#39;a ri} seems to be an incorrect translation,=
 since<br>
&gt; {fa&#39;a} refers to the direction of the event, not the orientation o=
f the<br>
&gt; person.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Would {mi noi farna lo ckana ku pinvre ri} be better?<br>
<br>
</div></div>That means &quot;I, who am a direction of the bed, lie horizont=
ally on it.&quot;. I<br>
think you&#39;ve found a hole in the vocabulary. I don&#39;t remember seein=
g anything<br>
meaning &quot;x1 is oriented in orientation x2&quot;, either in the gismu o=
r in the<br>
spatial tenses. &quot;farna&quot; says what the direction of x2 from x3 is,=
 but not how<br>
either of them is oriented. &quot;carna&quot; says that x1 rotates about ax=
is x2, but<br>
not what it points at when it&#39;s finished.<br>
<br>
Nitpick: &quot;I lay down&quot; means &quot;mi punji lo ranpi&#39;u&quot;. =
You mean &quot;I lie down&quot;.<br>
<br>
Pierre<br>
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