Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:47995) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNoK7-0002DQ-Sl; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 08:14:59 -0800 Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4sf425479gyg.16 for ; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 08:14:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:reply-to:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5QNgP/OIpQgMw46EOROWH4Dxqh2y7YFsH0Vg8yR02XE=; b=n02/gbV7OxOub/0ml5seyRvM6WPpqs0cLB6dWZ8gGzMRWe0hPElxtDLMSbIvJaWrCk nxkteqaff3O56+/otkYK7W615mUXNFNhnbV5sCylmb34bdzQCTmsPlOhPnLfkUv25LPI ejXFdis1vOg2mxWm0bL+9Vbp2/ORjPx1RxYxc= Received: by 10.236.180.130 with SMTP id j2mr8606349yhm.17.1320768883014; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 08:14:43 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.236.2 with SMTP id j2ls12401463anh.0.gmail; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 08:14:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.180.130 with SMTP id j2mr8606319yhm.17.1320768881272; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 08:14:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:14:40 -0800 (PST) From: najrut Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <13153413.1507.1320768880666.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqan20> In-Reply-To: <04CADBF1-A01D-48D3-A682-C812F3E946B9@switchb.org> References: <28766495.1817.1310280099392.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqyy3> <246b16f2-c892-4fd0-b329-96271b271bf1@k8g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <201108030750.25490.phma@phma.optus.nu> <22345005.2719.1312465668458.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqic12> <04CADBF1-A01D-48D3-A682-C812F3E946B9@switchb.org> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: "mi prami do" or "mi cu prami do" ? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: ruler11post@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ruler11post@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ruler11post@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1506_30948943.1320768880662" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4680 ------=_Part_1506_30948943.1320768880662 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This makes things even more strange. Now tell me what is the difference between "lo mi gerku cu xamgu" and "lo me mi gerku cu xamgu" ? The first one is translated as "lo any/some mi gerku dog(s) [of] I, me)2 cu is/does =AB3xamgu being good= =BB3]1" and the second one as "lo any/some (3me amongst those that are mi I, me [type-of] gerku=20 dog(s))3)2 cu is/does =AB4xamgu being good=BB4]1" Yes, "lo mi gerku" meaning "my dog" is quite handy, but why it breaks the= =20 logic of anything learnt before ? mi gerku means "I'm a dog" and when it is used as a sumti in the phrase =20 it must mean <"I'm a dog" is good> whatever that means. "me mi gerku" (my dog) has much more sense as it clear resembles "prenu=20 gerku" (person's dog). I feel that the "rule" of transforming "I am" into "mine" when adding "lo"= =20 is absolutely alien to other lojbanic rules. On Thursday, August 4, 2011 6:10:49 PM UTC+4, Kevin Reid wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 6:47, najrut wrote: > > But ... is it anyway possible to form tanru with pro-sumti included ? > > It is possible as Jorge Llamb=EDas explained, with "me " which is = a=20 > conversion to the selbri "x1 is ". > > dei me mi notci > This [is a] Kevinish message. =20 > > --=20 > Kevin Reid > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban-beginners/-/U_CQyzqFZUUJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. ------=_Part_1506_30948943.1320768880662 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This makes things even more strange.
Now tell me what is the difference= between
"lo mi gerku cu xamgu" and "lo me mi gerku cu xamgu" ?The first one is translated as
"lo any/some mi gerku dog(s) [of] I, me= )2 cu is/does =AB3xamgu being good=BB3]1"
and the second one as"lo any/some (3me amongst those that are mi I, me [type-of] gerku dog(s))= 3)2 cu is/does =AB4xamgu being good=BB4]1"

Yes, "lo mi gerku" meanin= g "my dog" is quite handy, but why it breaks the logic of anything learnt b= efore ?
mi gerku means "I'm a dog" and when it is used as a sumti= in the phrase
<lo mi gerku cu xamgu> 
i= t must mean <"I'm a dog" is good> whatever that means.

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"me mi gerku" (my dog) has much more sense as it clear resembles= "prenu gerku" (person's dog).

I feel that the "ru= le" of transforming "I am" into "mine" when adding "lo" is absolutely alien= to other lojbanic rules.

On Thursday, August 4, 2011 6:10:49= PM UTC+4, Kevin Reid wrote:
On Aug 4, 2011, at 6:47, najrut wrote:

> But ... is it an= yway possible to form tanru with pro-sumti included ?

It is possible = as Jorge Llamb=EDas explained, with "me <sumti>" which is a conversio= n to the selbri "x1 is <sumti>".

  dei      = ;   me mi    notci
  This [is a] Kevinish message. &= nbsp;

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